The Peril of Living in a BASSACKWARD World (Was: The Proble - The Peril of Living in a BASSACKWARD World (Was: The Problem With Ray) Kokomoj0 wrote: Raymond Karczewski (arkent3@earthlink.net) wrote: Aug. 27, 2008 k: > Reply with quoteQuote I am sure Ray will take this as a disinformation frontal

Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:30 am

The Peril of Living in a BASSACKWARD World (Was: The Problem With Ray)

Kokomoj0 wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent3@earthlink.net) wrote:

Aug. 27, 2008

k: > Reply with quoteQuote
I am sure Ray will take this as a disinformation frontal attack but I am only going to log in my personal opinion on what he is doing here.

k: > Its not what Ray is doing in as much as the government is concerned is incorrect. To the contrary most of what I have seen so far is pretty much on course.

k: > I hope everyone understands that I am for the message, that is the message of the sovereign citizen part of what Ray is about. Unfortunately that is sort of where it ends for me.

rk: I AM the message. In Truth, the Message and the Messager ARE ONE. It is the satanic (opposer) Intellect which separates the One through its inherent divisive energy of dualism. I speak Truth. You hear and respond to your own limited conceptual grasp, (an illusion) therefore you do not hear holistically. Thus you react to your own limited grasp of Truth (you see your own interpreted reflection of intellectual limitation). Hence you cannot accept your own judgement of the Truth of your limitation. So you project blame onto the Mirror which judges nothing. It merely reflects.

k: > I peaked at a few of the things he is doing in taking back his sovereignty and he seems to have, well everything I seen so far, he seems to have it reasonably right.

rk: You see only what you want to see. How do you know anything that you can't manifest in your own life? You miss the importance of the whole. That is why you attack a simple man of Truth. You are a victim of your own judgement. Have you not heard, "Judge not lest Ye be judged." I am sure you have heard it. The problem lies in that you do not understand it.

k: > Areas where Ray runs into problems,

rk: Would it not be more accurate had you expressed "Areas where I, run into problems" in understanding what Ray says?

k: > and I cant imagine to many people who would not find this as an immediate turn off is the way he compares himself to Christ... GAK!

rk: "GAK"?? With such a response, are you not recruiting support of others, possessed of equally spiritually blind, satanically ruled Intellects for your emotional reaction to rejecting the holistic (nondualistic) Truth? That is the fellowship of ignoramuses which acts as a barrier to spiritual growth. Organized religions serve that purpose. They are satanic, BASSACKWARD organizations designed to render and keep Sovereigns enslaved by their own ignorance.

k: > I got as far as the first line: "Dialog with Christ" and immediately wanted to click on something else, label him a quack and move on.

rk: Bingo!! Have you not displayed the reaction of a closed-minded religiously trained bigot who believes he is worthy of Truth but creates his own barriers through blindly believed satanically conditioned concepts? Like a computer such individual is self-programmed through positive imaged deceptions and becomes the
the poster boy/girl for GIGO (Garbage In, Garbage Out). They aspire to Heaven, while they busily engage themselve in creating their own Hell.

k: > It mocks Christians, and other religions just laugh and turn to the next page.

rk: Wouldn't your statement be more accurate had you express the mirrored interpreting subject mocks the reflection of Christians and other religions seen in the Mirror of Truth? Does not the laugh cover up for their self-disturbance and so, cause them to flee from the Truth staring them right in the face?

k: > Ray may think of himself as a modern day jesus and savior I suppose becuase he does not realize that many have walked in his footsteps before him in this country.

rk: Who are they? Where is the evidence to back up that statement?

rk: I do not compare myself with the myth of Jesus at all. I am of the same nondualistic essence of Truth which resonated in the once living, breathing, flesh-and-blood, sentient, natural Man, Son of God who lived some 2000 years ago.

k: > Then again maybe he just wants to sell his books. Anyone else want to chime in on that?

rk: Whassa matter, you feeling uncomfortable fishing for support for such a nonrelevant judgemental misdirection?

k: > Next, while he has lots of knowledge to treat people in a condescending manner who is not attacking him but only testing the waters to see if what he is doing is contiguous and has merit is simply a huge turn off.

rk: Truth can only be seen. It cannot be arrive at through blind, linear thought, i.e., Intellectualism. It is the gift of awareness which opens the spiritual eye of the Spiritual Sighted. Blind Intellects cannot See, so they create a counterfeit idea Truth and build their personal reality around it. That is the Satanic (Opposer) Hell occupied by all, but a few, who respond to my writing.

k: > Personally I feel that one attracts more flies with honey than ridicule and belittlement.

rk: So does BullCrap!!

k: > Add that all up and you have a guy who puts himself up as another jesus and the savior of the world,

rk: I do NO SUCH THING. I am not anybody's Savior. I refuse to be anyone's Spiritual Nanny.

k: > talks down to people, speaks in abstract religious jargon

rk: I speak very simply. It is your previously conditioned, interpretive blocks which creates the illusion of complexity that separates you from such simplicity.

k: > that is foreign to all but a very few people on the planet rather than using common language and simply instructing people and sharing his knowledge.

rk: Were I to do, as you suggest, I would have to support limitation, ignorance, and ultimately, stupidity. There's the Rub!!

k: > Constructive criticism is met with hyperbole, obfuscation, and drama.

rk: I speak Truth and let the Devil take the hindmost. Your problem lies with the "Hindmost."

k: > Thats been my experience... how about you all?

rk: Such comment of yours is an example of seeking out commiserating, like-minded ignoramuses for support of a weakly held idea.. How do you expect to grow spiritually while you follow that Satanic formula?

k: > So is it any wonder that people pick on the messenger instead of hearing the message?

rk: I, as all other simple men and women of Truth fully understand that being picked on and persecuted goes with the Turf of resonating truth in a land of Satanic illusion. Christs are NEVER Welcome by IGNORAMUSES. The concept of Christs held by blind, Satanically ruled conditioned minions cause such simple men and women of Truth to be either worshipped or killed.

k: > So although I agree with Rays message I really have to restrain myself from going head to head with him on his approach and attitudes.

rk: Why? Have you not intimated the reason? Have you not been left wanting in grasping the whole, because of your addiction to the limited?

k: > Which of course distracts and destroys the body of the message regardless of its being valid and puts all the focus on the messenger. Then the message is lost in the mud.

rk: You are dealing with your own reflection and thus that becomes the barrier of the limited being dissolved into the whole.

k: > Thats the way I see it. There are several others who have gone the same route Ray has and you cant even find them out here they blend in so well.

rk: Baloney, If they blend in with Illusion ruled ignoramuses, they cannot be holistic men and women of Truth.

k: > So that is my impression in meeting Ray,

rk: You have yet to meet me. You are too busy trying to muck up the mirror so that you needn't take responsibility for the reflection you see as you stand before the Mirror of Truth.

k: > how about ya all? Seen his site? Am I the only one who can appreciate his message but thinks his approach needs a thourough overhaul? Whats your impression?

rk: There you go again. You are so weak in your position that you require fellowship of other confused and confounded blind believers to ease the pain of you limitation. Hell, isn't it?

Raymond Ronald Karczewski©

Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:40 pm

Re: The Peril of Living in a BASSACKWARD World (Was: The Problem With Ray):

bfr (Big.Fat.Raymond.Sings.2...@googlemail.com) wrote: http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=all&q=Big.Fat.Raymond.Sings.2...%40googlemail.com&btnG=Search

asterion wrote

Kokomoj0 wrote

Raymond Karczewski (http://www.arkenterprises.com) wrote:

bfr: >>> Ray is mentally ill, he has been for years. He has been advised to seek a mental evaluation so that he can be properly treated by numerous people ranging from friends to family to judges in his district.

rk: What's wrong with this picture? The moderator of this forum has all the evidence required for establishing a TOS violation, yet allows a platform for such vicious, libelous smears to continue unabated.

rk: What is the basis for bfr's statements. What personal info does he possess to make such blanket smear of mental illness? What is his agenda?

rk: Josephine County Court Judge Alan Coon in his part of the State of Oregon and County of Josephine's Railroad job of a Sovereign Man beyond their corporate jurisdiction, attempted to force me into a mental evaluation, but it blew up in his face and he wound up being forced into retirement at the peak of his career along with Presiding Court Judge Gerald Neufeld, District Attorney Clay E. Johnson and Sheriff, Dave H. Daniel. Four men of seemingly limited worldly power GONE -- PFFFT!, just like that. What does that tell you about the firmness of position of this Living, Breathing, Flesh-and-Blood, Sentient, Natural Man over the tenuous foundation based in the Law of Mammon?

rk: bfr and his cohorts, steeped in the satanic depths which bind their satanic consciousness, have manufactured fictitious relatives who don't exist, who then claim I am mentally ill and require treatment. This folks is what mind control and disinformation is all about.

rk: I can handle it. But what If the government/media used the same tactics directed toward enslaving you? Could you stand up to it? That is the reason I have share my extraordinary experiences with you, while the disinformation agents band together in an assault force to employ the misdirecting tactics of braying in unison: "ITS ALL ABOUT RAY, ITS ALL ABOUT RAY" or claiming that I am "hogging the forum, when I am only setting the record straight when attacked with false, forged, fictitious, libelous charges.

a: >> OK, Ray, you've got the attention you obviously crave by hogging the forum. But is it doing you any good?

rk: That remains to be seen. It all depends upon whether the moderator wakes up as to how he is being used by professional government/media mind controllers/disinformation agents as his forum is being used as a platform for a pointed campaign of Conspiracy to Libel.

a: >> Why do you choose one which is political/current affairs based when you would be better off sounding off on a religion-based forum? You started quite well but, went downhill quickly when you introduced the religion, Satanic & mirror of truth stuff.

rk: Politics is a lower level, peripheral Satanic activity. The real cancer which affects and is destroying America is indeed spiritual in nature. Your satanic leaders DO NOT WANT you to be exposed to the real solution, i.e., your re-establishment of your Sovereign Status over your Servand Government.

a: >> Being an atheist, your message falls upon deaf ears in my case, I also suspect that there are a few more atheist members of War On You, too. It's like trying to sell ice-making machines to the eskimos.

rk: I am speaking to those "who have the eyes to see and ears to hear." My truth falls upon all who hear it, equally. To the Truthful and balanced, it fail upon them as a refreshing, cooling spring shower, cleansing, and liberating.. To the hellbound, it stings like acid upon the satanic thin-skinned debased consciousness of prideful, corrupted, debased minions who have sold their souls in return for the empty promise of comfort and security..

a: >> Change tack with your PR, revamp your site, do some market research, & take a little time out to think over some sticking points in your philosophy.

rk: In your nightmare filled dreams, in your nightmare filled dreams!!

a: > We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.
Plato

k: > Quote from: bfr on Today at 04:41:56 AM

k: > bfr: Ray is mentally ill, he has been for years. He has been advised to seek a mental evaluation so that he can be properly treated by numerous people ranging from friends to family to judges in his district.

k: > I am not sure that I would hang him on the insanity peg. Definitely a man on a mission who seems to have kicked government butt. The Martin case was kicked back and forth between the state and fed over jurisdictional disputes, and she never spent one second in jail while winning her sovereign status.

rk: kokomojo, You are learning, but you are your own enemy.being tied to your present satanic conditioning which makes it a "Hard Learn."

k: > The problem that I see, as I said and as you can see in every post of his is that he puts everyone else down as being stoopid or inferior to him.

rk: I stand as I AM. All who read me do so at their own personal level of spiritual development. If they perceive they are less than what they have previously believed themselves to be spiritually when standing before the Mirror of Truth,, and thus run helter skelter in avoiding seeing that it is their own reflection, their own self-judgment which indicts them, well then, SO BE IT.

k: > Had I not done my own research into the matter prior to running into him, I would have just wrote it all off as BS due to his condescending bible thumping approach.

rk: Then you would have missed the Spiritual Lesson of your life, wouldn't you?

k: > Personally I do not see his style and approach as a means of winning anyone over to his position and rather I see it as a means of scaring literally everyone away. Especially someone who has not previously looked into the subject.

rk: Truth cannot be studied. It can only be seen in the Eternal moment of NOW. . It requires timeless, spiritual awareness which arises from balanced discrimination.

rk; My message to all is that EVERYONE IS THE ONLY SAVIOR THEY SHALL EVER NEED IN THIS LIFETIME. All others who willfully remain blind to that fact have already sealed their Satanic Fate.

Raymond Ronald Karczewski©

**Member** Joined: Jun 12, 2007 Posts: 2925

Accusing people of being mentally ill has been one of the tactics that people in power have used against "dissidents for decades. It was used by Stalin in Russia and Hitler in Germany.

Sadly enough it was used by Woodwrow Wilson against Alice Paul when she along with a group of others were trying to gain the vote for women. To the Psychiatrists credit he would not find Alice Paul insane as Wilson wanted!

It is sad that these criminals are now being able to pull this crap again against people who have the integrity to stand up to them and speak truth to power.