Forum invaders - Dear MakeTheStand.com Members, I apologize for the recent rash (and they are like a rash) of jerkwads that keep registering and posting here. I will continue to ban them, as quickly as possible. I know this topic has been discussed often, but I thi

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Dear MakeTheStand.com Members,

I apologize for the recent rash (and they are like a rash) of jerkwads that keep registering and posting here. I will continue to ban them, as quickly as possible.

I know this topic has been discussed often, but I think we should dig deeper into it. The main questions we ask are 1) who are these people and 2) why do they do this?

Who the people are really doesn't matter. It's sad that people would devote time to attempting to ruin the experiences of others. We've made it clear by repeatedly banning these guys that we don't want them here. We shouldn't have to say anything else. People who don't respect our wishes -- the wishes of those who spend time and money creating the website, participating in discussion, and the like -- are acting immorally.

So the real question is why. The answer to that may not be as simple as you or I think. Since we don't know the answer, and really won't ever know, we are forced to look at the most probable answers.

Possibilities:

--Some shmuck who happened across the site and thinks it's fun to cause trouble
--Some pro-tax, pro-government, pro-obfuscation people from squatloose
--Disgruntled member
--Some type of, for lack of a better-fitting word, agent, who is actually paid to distract, disinform, disrupt, etc.

I don't think it is the first because this site really isn't THAT popular. We aren't a huge, popular, thousands-upon-thousands of members discussion forum. I think if someone happened across and wanted to have some fun, they'd give up by now.

The second is quite possible. Those people are highly annoying and for whatever reason love to disrupt the tax honesty movement.

The third isn't likely either. I don't think anyone is pissed off about having been banned or such. I've only banned people who I thought were here for the wrong reasons. I don't think I've unfairly banned anyone. Once again we're not that big to have disgruntled members.

Lastly, and perhaps the most likely is the "agent" of sorts. Probably some low-life, and I mean LOW LIFE. I don't like judging people, but anyone who gets paid peanuts to post shit on the Internet...probably living in some ghetto somewhere, lucky to have even a minifridge if that. It's just a sad form of life in my opinion. Such a person should really examine themselves -- see if there is anything at all inside -- and re-examine what he/she is doing. The peanuts they get for such work aren't going to save their souls. It's probably barely enough to live on, let alone pursue having an ACTUAL life.

The primary difference between us and these disinformation/distraction agents is anonymity. Yes, some members here choose to stay anonymous, but those members also get active in things. It isn't hard to find out who a lot of the members here are really. These random distraction agents, on the other hand, never tell anything about themselves, or if they do it is most likely a lie. They are not like real people. They are not coming to the site for the reasons we do.

A lot of these bozos came here when Ray started posting here. They really stick to him like glue. Someone wise should use that as a testament that Ray must be doing something right. I believe Ray's message is very powerful and threatening to the establishment, so that is why these toads hop from site to site after him. I'm sure they get him banned places -- the admins of the sites getting tired of banning the disruptors so they ban Ray too and the problem is solved. However, that will not happen here. I've even made a forum for Ray because I like him so much and enjoy reading his posts. A dedicated forum is available to other people as well, especially people who run into trouble and need our help.

I do believe this answer is the most probable answer to our question of who/why. They get paid to do it. Talk about an easy job. It's really incredibly sad that our society has decayed so much that the elite power establishment has to stoop to such low methods of control/dissuasion. For God's sake -- having to pay people to post on the Internet to try to obfuscate the truth. It's so absurd you can just laugh at it. I only wish it weren't affecting the lives of the people who do the posting. They must be terribly disappointed with life in general. No pleasure or sense of self-being, self-worth, or anything of a spiritual, REAL, nature could come from such actions. They know what they're doing, and no matter how much they may be in denial of it, it DOES affect them. I'm not religious, so I can't pray to a "god/dog" but I'll pray to what is for them. I wouldn't want to be in their shoes. It's really quite sad.

So don't be mad for them, feel sorry for them. But don't waste your time talking to them either. The come to distract and disrupt, to take attention away from what we're doing here. So let's keep on doing what we're doing. Let's COMPLETELY ignore them. When they post, don't respond, reply, or even acknowledge that they posted. Act as if their post never made it onto the forums. Completely ignore them, that is what I would ask of you. Don't let them distract your mind from what's really going on. They are HERE because of what's going on. We're taking flak because we're right over the target, as a friend of mine says Smile

So let's stay over the target, and not allow them to take our attention away from the facts and more importantly the truth. If you respond to them, engage in dialogue, argue, etc, then they are only achieving their goal. I commend the members here for continuing regular discussion despite these bafoons. That's very important, and that's what you should do. Now I ask that you go one step further and completely and utterly ignore their existence. I'll keep banning them, and if you ignore them they'll go away onto sites that are not as clever as we are. They can hang out in the newsgroups and everywhere they usually do. We've exposed them here. Ray has exposed them here, and I've exposed them here. You guys have all exposed them.

We needn't do anything else. Instead of opening a discussion about them, I'm going to lock this thread. As I said before, it's as if they do not exist at all. So let's stay true to that. I beg all members here to comply.

Thank you, and don't worry the site isn't going anywhere Smile

I'll keep hosting it and administrating it, even if I don't have time to participate a whole lot anymore. Hopefully that will change. I'm still trying to decide where to go with it all. In the meantime, you guys keep on deciding with the forums. Thanks again and have a wonderful night and weekend Smile

Sincerely yours,

Shaun