Reno cut a deal with the government - 06/06/2008 NOTICE OF HEARING as to Cirino Gonzalez: Change of Plea Hearing set for 6/13/2008 03:30 PM before Chief Judge George Z. Singal in Portland, Maine. (jar) (Entered: 06/06/2008) 06/06/2008 RESCHEDULING NOTICE OF HEARING as to

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06/06/2008 NOTICE OF HEARING as to Cirino Gonzalez: Change of Plea Hearing set for 6/13/2008 03:30 PM before Chief Judge George Z. Singal in Portland, Maine. (jar) (Entered: 06/06/2008)

06/06/2008 RESCHEDULING NOTICE OF HEARING as to Cirino Gonzalez: Change of Plea Hearing set for 6/13/2008 08:00 AM before Chief Judge George Z. Singal in Portland, Maine. (jar) (Entered: 06/06/2008)

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Thanks for the update.

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CAKid...................Do you have a link. I would love to read up on this.

Thanks!

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You mean you don't have Donna on speed dial? I would think being the Grande Dame of "The official Website of Ed & Elaine", you would have been the first one she told. That's harsh, being left out of the loop like that.

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There you are.........................crawled out from under your rock again I see.

Well enjoy yourself......................with the 35 Articles of Impeachment against your leader you guys must be running scared.

What is with your misogyny!! Grand Dame indeed.................

Why don't you go educate yourself to what is going on in the world so that you could post something decent for a change!!! More and more you make yourself look really foolish..............You do not think anyone takes you seriously do you?

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Posted on Reno's MySpace blog:

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Tuesday, June 10, 2008

Plea Change hearing

June 13th Reno will be having a hearing for change of plea, he plans on pleading guilty to Conspiricy to have the weapons charged dropped. this was posted earlier today but due to more than one administrator to this site I believe it had been taken down. Reno wants everyone to know he plans on doing this in believing he will get less time for this instead of carrying on his fight in retrial.

thank you for all your support

When Reno's plea agreement is available, I'll post a link.

I wonder if he'll be testifying against the other supporters in the next round of criminal trials as a condition of his plea bargain.

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Or, you can probably find out what happened, and why, by spending .50 and reading the local paper on Saturday AM.

As far as the whole impeachment thing, news flash for ya - President Bush will be in office until 01/20/09. There will be an election on 11/04/08 and the winner, whether it be McCain or Obama, will assume the leadership of the country. The ideas of President Bush invoking Martial Law and becoming a dictator is utter nonsense.

In all likelihood by then this message board will probably be down to just Ray and MM. This movement you keep talking about just never seems to gain any traction. There's been what, 20 or 30 "straws that will break the camels back" now? That must be one mighty strong camel.

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In all likelihood by then this message board will probably be down to just Ray and MM.

LMAO ROFL.... I take that rather personally. With Ephesians 5 with my motivation, I'm sticking around and doing my job. Awake, yes I am.

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The ideas of President Bush invoking Martial Law and becoming a dictator is utter nonsense.

As you speak utter non-sense "what-ever".

How long have you people been burying dead guys with LIVING virgin girls anyways?

Have you ever gone East when you should have gone West? To those that don't know what this means. It implies that the person has thought to do right, but instead they CHOOSE to do wrong (read:EVIL).

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MaidMarion wrote:

CAKid...................Do you have a link. I would love to read up on this.

Thanks!

Kid and Bill never have any links, it is all their words take it or leave it. They are tainted.

Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:39 am

Quite the contrary "white wash dork">> It is this website combined with dozens of other informative patriotic websites that have you and your J. Edgar Hoover "wannabe" buddies really are bothered by. Because truthseeking people who are about to blow the lid off of this entire fraud are coming forth with the facts that will undoubtedly prove that this current government is a complete fraud and deviation from our original "republic".

If this website wasn't getting vital information out to some sincere truthseekers then it would have been extinguished long ago. Just the fact that you and your deviate pals try to sabotage and attempt to derail the site from time to time actually proves to me that truth is coming forth. Good patriot people come forth with true informatin which truly gives the site more validity. The Browns have more courage in the tips of the fingers than you will ever manifest in your entire life. It takes courage to take a stand for the truth. It takes a person with backbone to question and challenge the obvious insanity that has enveloped our entire system. The "GO ALONG TO GET ALONG" crowd such as yourself "dood" don't have the spinal column it takes to effect positive change.

But detractors and Judas Goats such as yourself who wholeheartedly support tyranny and the destruction of our heritage and way of life would sell your own family out to bolster your 401k or IRA. If the truth wasn't being told here you wouldn't even bother with your five & dime putdowns. The only reason that muckrakers like yourself are here is because the truth is coming to surface and you all on the dark side are getting as nervous as a whore in church. Because your pathetic, play ground bully power structure is deteriorating right in front of your eyes and it's bugging the hell out of you.

After hearing Reno's father on the Mid Night Rider Show I would come sooner believing a commissioned sales person before I would believe any false information you would put forth about them. The only way people of their credibility would cave in would be by extreme duress or MK-Ultra type torture.

The fact that a rogue government shill such as yourself gets upset about this website gives me great joy. But I truly feel sorry for you "white-wash" because when they are done using you they will turn on you like a harlot. So enjoy your 30 pieces of silver while it is still redeemable.

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He's going to trial after all.

From the court docket:

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06/13/2008 Minute Entry for proceedings held before Chief Judge George Z. Singal: In Chambers Conference as to Cirino Gonzalez held on 6/13/2008. At the time defendant moved to continue the trial which was denied by the Court. Counsel asked for presentence report as to Counts 2 and 3 to go forward with the sentencing which was also denied by the Court. Jury selection at 9:30AM on June 19, 2008 and evidence to begin at 8:30AM on June 23, 2008 in Concord, New Hampshire. (Court Reporter: Dennis Ford) (Govt Atty: Arnold Huftalen) (Defts Atty: David Bownes)(Total Hearing Time: 15 mins) (jar) (Entered: 06/13/2008)

Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:52 pm

Thanks for clearing that up for us CAkid; I truly appreciate the update. I didn't think for one second that Reno would Judasize anyone in the patriot movement much less the Browns. After hearing his dad on the MidNightRider Show I was totally convinced that Reno's upbringing and his solid family support would not produce a puppet for the government. We have to always keep in mind that this is mainly an information war and one we are winning by the way. So you can bank on government scum-balls creating false and misleading information.

The truth will win out ultimately. But it's going to be a hard battle with all of the brainwashed, useful idiots like Monier who serve this God-forsaken monster that we know as the Federal Government. What pathetic morons like Monier and his stooges don't realize is that when they are done using them the government will just simply chew them up and spit them out.

Many who work for the Federal Government aren't bad people per se because the government is very good with phony propaganda and they are very good at compartmentalizing.

We just have to keep trying to educate as many people as we can because the government and their shills are working overtime to squash the truth and bury it. The TRUTH will set us free!!! and it will give us our country back. We also have to somehow get this information to the jurys. Because as long as we have jurys we have education as a weapon against this evil.

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JD-Spydo wrote:

We have to always keep in mind that this is mainly an information war and one we are winning by the way.

How do you figure you're winning? The Ed Brown standoff has faded into obscurity.

Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 5:57 pm

This overall patriot movement is much bigger than the Browns. As important as the Browns are they are a microcosm of the movement as a whole.

The debacle of the Browns has been a minor setback but they have paved the way for a huge informatiion war. There have been many, many people awakened in the last year.

With the economy falling apart it is great news for us because hard times will cause many more to wake up and realize that this country has been hi-jacked by facsist corporate tyrants.

There are blessings behind all of the minor setbacks we have had. People are starting to ask hard questions which is why Michael Reagan and his fellow government goons are in a state of panic and threatening to murder people.

This is an information war. As in any war there are casualties. So far the truth has been one of our biggest casualties. However the truth is making a turbulent comeback. It is truly an exciting time to be alive. I am so encouraged to see many more people questioning the system and for probably the first time in their lives they are asking hard questions. It may appear hopeless to you and others who harass this forum but that's just not the case at all.

But I would like you to ask yourself one question: Do you want tyranny for yourself or your family or your descendants? Because if we all don't take some kind of a stand that's what we will be facing. It is only going to take about 12% to 15% of the people becoming pro-active to turn this situation completely around.

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You shouldn't confuse a small group of loud voices on the internet with a "movement." The vast majority of people in this country have never heard of your truth movement, and many of those who have find it mildly amusing at best.

**Member** Joined: Apr 25, 2007 Posts: 1050

If some don't find the word 'movement' relates well, maybe something like the 'growing number of concerned people' that are finding community with each other. Especially when people look into the lurking questions of how the occurrences of the official story of 9/11 just never seemed to add up, those lines in the sky that linger throughout the day ending in a thin, pervasive silver-white blanket that cuts out a good deal of sunlight when the forecast for the next few days is sunny (and people think back to when they were younger they never saw lines in the sky, except quickly fading normal 'contrails' that make sense with basic physics principles), or how more troops are mentioning the use of Depleted Uranium in Iraq, combined with a rising rate of babies born with deformities or looking like their skin was turned inside-out, along with the troops own 'supposedly' un-diagnosable dis-ease many are experiencing. On and on, you know?

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This is how we are winning CAKid. And guess what liberals, conservatives, democrats and republicans, black and white are all involved. Hardly the small movement that you claim it is.............on the contrary it is growing and will continue to grow everyday. Too bad you do not seem to want to be a part of restoring the Constitution. What is that all about?

We have gone vocal ...........local.

Also you are wrong when you imply that most Americans are not aware of us and what is going on. The truth is that the global elite are very concerned about Ron Paul and the following he has.....................they do not like what he is teaching. It was even discussed at the Bilderberg meeting last week!

A LETTER FROM RON PAUL

Dear Supporter,

These past 17 months have been among the most exciting and eventful of my life. Together you and I delivered a message of freedom the likes of which American politics had not seen in decades. I wasn’t sure the country was ready for it. But it was a message, I discovered, that many Americans had been waiting for a long time to hear.

I have been blessed with the most informed, well read, and enthusiastic supporters of any presidential campaign. Your extraordinary efforts in organizing and fundraising grabbed the attention of millions of Americans and shocked just about everyone in politics and the media. I still cannot get over all the fantastic work you did.

Something of great significance has just occurred in our country’s history.

With the primary season now over, the presidential campaign is at an end. But the larger campaign for freedom is just getting started. Therefore, I am happy to announce the official launch of the Ron Paul Campaign for Liberty.

The work of the Campaign for Liberty will take many forms. We will educate our fellow Americans in freedom, sound money, non-interventionism, and free markets. We’ll have our own commentaries and videos on the news of the day. I’ll work with friends I respect to design materials for homeschoolers.

Politically, we’ll expand the great work of our precinct leader program. We’ll make our presence felt at every level of government, where just a few people with our level of enthusiasm can make a world of difference. We’ll keep an eye on Congress and lobby against legislation that threatens us. We’ll identify and support political candidates who champion our great ideas against the empty suits the party establishments offer the public.

We will be a permanent presence on the American political landscape. That I promise you. We’re not about to let all this good work die. To the contrary, with your help we’re going to make it grow – by leaps and bounds.

This is the most ambitious venture of my political career, and I think it can achieve great things. But I can’t do this alone. I need you to help me. I need your energy, your creativity, your ideas, and your dedication.

People frustrated with our political system often wonder what they can do. I have founded this organization to answer that question, to give people the opportunity to do something that really makes a difference in the fight for freedom. Please join me by becoming a member of the Campaign for Liberty. Our goal is 100,000 members by September. Can we reach it?

Our campaign netted 1.1 million votes in the primaries of a shrinking Republican Party. Millions more support us. I need you to help me reach them – and to keep making new converts to the cause. What a force we can be, if only we rise to the occasion.

Now what about the Republican Convention in St. Paul? Our delegates will attend, of course, and I expect our contingent to have a visible presence there. Without disruption, we will do whatever we can to influence the party and its platform, and return the GOP to its limited-government roots. This is very important.

This brings me to my second announcement. I invite you to join us at Williams Arena at the University of Minnesota on Tuesday, September 2nd, for a grand rally. We intend to draw over 11,000 people. We’ll have live music and entertainment, and special guests. I’ll address you all as well. A massive rally will generate still more interest in our ideas. And what a great time it will be.

Remember that it was Senator Robert Taft, who shared our views, who was called Mr. Republican. But we are not merely the Republican Party’s past. If the enthusiasm of young people for our campaign is any indication, we are also its future.

Right now I will need your patience and input as we develop our program and assemble just the right team of individuals. But it is my intention to launch the Campaign for Liberty in its full capacity at our rally in Minneapolis this September.

Over the past week we’ve learned that the Democratic presidential nominee, supposedly an antiwar candidate, is committed to the same rhetoric, the same propaganda, and the same aggressive intentions toward Iran as the Bush administration. As usual, the major parties refuse to offer Americans a real choice.

The Campaign for Liberty will lay the groundwork for a different America, the kind of America you and I, and millions of our fellow countrymen, want to inhabit.

“Dr. Paul cured my apathy,” a popular campaign sign read. Others said our campaign cured their cynicism. We have now reached a moment of great moral decision: will we let ourselves retreat into apathy and cynicism once again, or will we dig in for the long haul and fight all the harder? Will we retire from the scene quietly, or will we give the establishment the fight of its life?

“In the final analysis,” I wrote in my new book The Revolution: A Manifesto, “the last line of defense in support of freedom and the Constitution consists of the people themselves. If the people want to be free, if they want to lift themselves out from underneath a state apparatus that threatens their liberties, squanders their resources on needless wars, destroys the value of their dollar, and spews forth endless propaganda about how indispensable it is and how lost we would all be without it, there is no force that can stop them.”

The time has come to act on these words. May future generations look back on our work and say that these were men and women who, in a moment of great crisis, stood up to the politicians, the opinion-molders, and the establishment, and saved their country.

Join us, and be a part of it.

For liberty,

Ron Paul

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Just one question I have for both whtwtrdood and CAKid..............How can you not want freedom? Help me and the others on this site understand that one!

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It was even discussed at the Bilderberg meeting last week!

Cool.. Now you have inside information about By Invitation Only conference. Rolling Eyes

Seriously, if you guys want to be taken seriously, you haveto start acting like grownups.

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For someone who uses seriously twice in a sentence I do not think that any of us here need to be taking advice from the likes of you. You not only do not write well you appear to be illiterate and very uninformed.

If you want to find out about what was discussed at the Bilderberg Meeting you should read Jim Tuckers report . He has been following this group since before you were born and has inside sources who have always given him information.

Another topic for discussion was the ID chip, and a global banking system. Have you volunteered for your chip yet or do you already have one?

Where are the wins you and this administration have had this week CAKid? You seem to be young enough to read for yourself the atrocities that has gone on during the past 8 years. Why don't you compare them with the constitution and see how far off these guys strayed. Then maybe you will be able to post an enlightened, informative opinion here. Right now you just look silly.............sort of girliemanish!!!!

In the mean time you and whtwtrdood are just trying to goad! That's O.K. we feed trolls here.......... for a little while anyway.

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You a big reader of Jim Tucker, MaidM?

I'm not really big on reading the rantings of white supremacists myself.

And do you often try to insult women by referring to them as "girliemanish?"

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Posted by Reno's father on MySpace:

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From: Jose M.
Date: Jun 14, 2008 3:37 PM
Subject: jailed; frustrated tears for freedom
Body: I just heard from a supporter about Cirino.

You may have already read in the forums;
Despite (attorney) David Bownes' having prepared documentation to have himself fired by Cirino, the judge denied this action.

Cirino was presented with a written agreement that was too different from his verbal agreement with prosecutors.

He refused to sign and proceded to outburst at the judge for allowing such injustice to occur in the court.

Cirino cried tears of frustration prompting other members in the court to similar emotional reactions.

Twice, the judge stated that he wished he could help him; on the second time, Cirino interrupted the judge and said "YOU CAN!"

At one point, the judge asked Cirino "What do you want?" to which Cirino stated that he wanted to go home.

He was not released and we have yet to know what will occur.

The supporter reports that Cirino was told that he was being tranferred to another jail after he had left his phone cards behind (that explains his calls) but he remains in the Merrimack facility.

My heart aches at knowing that my son was frustrated to tears.

However, the supporter said that Cirino reported having been treated very differently (almost as a human being) by everyone in the court from that moment on.

More information as I get it.

STAND FOR FREEDOM
keep the faith

:{ jmg

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White supremacist was a smear that you people tried to uses on Ron Paul also. I do not believe that Jim Tucker is a white supremacist............and neither do you. That is just your smear tactic.

You are a girlieman. You don't have the courage to stand up for your country, constitution and allow a bunch of war profiteers to take over your government, send our young men to a phony war and waste our treasure...............that is an apt name for you..................Hell isn't it?????

That is what you get for following the known Nazi Bush family and Cheney with his 5 deferments!!! Great leaders you jerks pick................a bunch of cowards the lot of you!

Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:12 pm

Hey just blow this guy/gal off Maidmarion. CAkid is not looking for the truth or justice or being part of the process of getting our country back.

Making assertions that we are racists on this site is absolutely ridiculous beyond belief. This website fully supported Sherry Peel Jackson during her onslaught by the IRS and other government thugs. CAkid and whitewash dudd probably both work in the same federal building. We have treated CAkid with respect and decency only to have insults and derrogatory comments hurled at all of us here on MTS.

What CAkid doesn't realize is that even if he/she does work for the goon squad is that it is only a matter of time before they get stabbed in the back by these criminals. This issue that we have with this rogue, defacto government transcends any race, religion or ethnicity issues. As a matter of fact I personally welcome input from any person of any color of the rainbow. I would particularly like to hear input from newly naturalized citizens.

CAKid no one here has any ill will or wishes anything bad upon you. But I think you really need to educate yourself on the issue of tax honesty. Because that's our case>> there isn't any honesty with the IRS, the Federal Government and their thug enforcers who are true-blue terrorists against the American people. And it has to come to halt. We have to get a better and more efficient and non intrusive way of raising revenue. The current system is nothing but a complete scam against the people of the great land.

CAkid we wish you well. But go learn about this before you go lambasting us because you have no idea about the criminal and nefarious nature of the IRS. Good day

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Thanks JD................I needed that support. Never in my life has it ever even been alluded to that I was in any way shape or forum a racists. I really do not care what the color of one's skin is. There are a lot of very ugly whites out there too.............It is what is in the individuals heart that matters to me. And yes I for one am still desperately upset about Sherry Peel Jackson being in jail also. She has young children and they need their mother. But this is what the IRS have always done to anyone who dares stand up to them. It does not make them right and it does not change people's minds.............in fact it wakes others up to what is going on.

Also I suspect the CAKid just posts about Reno because he wants to gloat about Reno breaking down in the courtroom. That is what truly angers me.

Reno speaks up.................we probably do not have any idea what he has gone through in that hell hole of a jail. What are they doing to break Reno like this? After all he was in Iraq and I am sure he saw lots of horror..............so this should have much easier for him.

Have any of you found the link to this myspace site that CAKid posts from............I want to verify that this is indeed Jose, Reno's Dad who posted. Thanks!

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I do not believe that Jim Tucker is a white supremacist............and neither do you. That is just your smear tactic.

Jim Tucker was the editor for Liberty Lobby's "The Spotlight" for many many years. He's personally written and edited some really horrible white supremacist articles.

Just because you don't believe Tucker's a racist, doesn't mean he isn't.

Newbie Joined: Jul 31, 2007 Posts: 35

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Making assertions that we are racists on this site is absolutely ridiculous beyond belief.

I never said you were a racist. I said Big Jim Tucker is a racist, which is pretty common knowledge for anyone who has read his writings.

But don't let reason get in the way of your petty conspiracy nonsense. I wouldn't want to pollute your dead forums with real life information such as what is happening in the Reno retrial.

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Making assertions that we are racists on this site is absolutely ridiculous beyond belief. This website fully supported Sherry Peel Jackson during her onslaught by the IRS and other government thugs.

Big Jim Tucker doesn't hate black people. He saves him all-consuming hatred for Jewish people, silly.

Why do you think he focuses his idiocy on the Bilderberg group? He thinks it's a vast Jewish conspiracy, even though most of the attendees aren't Jewish (a fact he conveniently ignores.)

Do you just blindly believe what people like Tucker write without questioning the source?

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Once again you are spreading half truths. It is a well known fact that Jim Tucker has been harassed by the ADL. The ADL is the right hand of Zionism. Zionism is the political arm of Israel. Many people are against Zionism..................even Israels.

That does not mean that Jim Tucker is against the Jews as you infer. I would be careful if I were you slander swings both ways.

It is a well known fact that the ADL have been trying to pass their hate speech bill. This is an attack on the first amendment. Here is an excerpt from that period when it was quickly shelved. Many people who post here hate the neoconservatives does that make them racists too. Some hate liberals ......................does that make them some kind of racists also.

Get a grip on your Nazi way of thinking ...........................your type would have it so that you would not only be controlling freedom of speech but the breath we breath. You are a sham CAKid, nothing but pondscum!

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2006/151106Hate.htm

An excerpt from the above link:

Not a moment too soon! In the spring of 2002, ADL expected easy passage of its hate bill by the Senate. Yet Jim Tucker of American Free Press told me that when he attended the National Press Club at that time, reporters were abuzz with how much unusually educated protest against hate laws was bombarding members of Congress.

Emboldened by the public outcry, a handful of spirited Republican senators demanded discussion of the bill on the floor of the Senate. That's the last thing Tom Daschle and the ADL wanted. They shelved the bill for the year.

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That is what happened in 2002. You can read the full article at the above link. Do not allow this idiot to confuse you between the words Jew and Zionist. They are completely different things as far as I am concerned.

Also, CAKid..........................do you know the percentage of people who attend the Bilderberg Meetings who are Zionists, Gentiles, Liberals, Conservatives, Jewish, Muslims......................if you do no then how can you even think to speak with any authority?

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I don't rely on the ADL for my information. Unlike you, I've actually read what Big Jim Tucker has written. You should try it.

**Member** Joined: Jun 12, 2007 Posts: 2936

Read it again .......................this time with comprehension!!!

Oh I forgot that you can't do!!!!