Freemasonry=Paganism alive and well - So the subject got your attention eh? :D Anyways, I saw a commercial on BBC America and everyone needs to watch some of the news and Docu's that they are showing. They (the people being interviewed) are now inciting=calling for the bombing of America

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So the subject got your attention eh? Very Happy

Anyways, I saw a commercial on BBC America and everyone needs to watch some of the news and Docu's that they are showing. They (the people being interviewed) are now inciting=calling for the bombing of America.

I can't really say more but I plan on watching it tonight at 10p.

Someone please tell anyone outside of CONUS that the government and those in secret are to be held responsible. The average citizenry obeys authority and are to be shown innocent. Do not enslave the refugee, but help them. Do not take advantage of the escaped, but help them find cover to safety.

Daniel 11:5-8- may point out the Dems dream ticket- Hillary with Obama as VP. Hillary will not last long but, read it. I am guessing (not prophesying- I think). I hope I am wrong. Ron Paul will get my vote until something drastic occurs.

Please, if you haven't already, go to http://masonfree.co.uk/ and take a look at some of the things there. They are going to be exposed and they realize they do not have much time left.

Yahweh's peace to you all!

Death2SecretSocieties!

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:24 am

Very interesting "takeastand". By the way just for your's and other forum member's information the DISCOVERY Channel is having a special documentary on Freemasonry this coming Saturday evening (05-17-0 Cool

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However I'm sure it will be slanted to make them look good. But it might be interesting to watch just to see how they do try to "candy coat" the hierarchy of this corrupt and wicked organization.

The sad thing about it is that at least 85% of their lodge members truly don't have any idea or even a clue about their dark and nefarious operations behind the scenes. I just recently learned that there are degrees higher than 33rd degree status. According to a guy on Alex Jones' Show there are 180 degrees and most of the higher ones are only known to the elite in the organization. It would be interesting to know what degrees are held by the likes of Newt Gingrich, Bill Clinton, Bob Dole, Donald Rumsfeld and many other Washington DC thugs.

What's really mind blowing to me about the Freemasons is that no matter where you go here in the USA and it can be a town with a population of 300 or less but yet most of then will have a masonic lodge. There are towns that don't even have a church or grocery store but yet still have a Freemason's lodge. OK I just thought I would let you all know about the upcoming Discovery channel special on Freemasonry.

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Yeah, they're a real scary bunch. There's a Mason Lodge next to a diner I eat in with some regularity and I see them go in and out on meeting nights all the time. In over 20 years, I've never seen one guy go into that building that wasn't at least 80.

Different town, an hour and a half away - several years ago I went to calling hours for my wife's former doctor, a real doctor that made house calls and delivered her and all her siblings, in her family homestead. He was a good friend of her family and well liked in the community. While we were there his mason brothers came to pay their respects. Of the 30 or so that were there that evening, most of them were quite frail and looked as if they would join the good doctor at any moment.

Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 2:03 pm

That's a good point that you make whtwtrdood. Because I will be the very first to admit that at least 85% of all lodge members have very little or no idea at all of what the hierarchy of the Freemasons are really up to. My dad's best friend was a Mason for years and he had tried to get me to join on several occasions. When I showed him an investigative report put out by John Ankerberg's organization about their nefarious dealings in the elite hierarchy of the organization he just simply refused to accept it. But Ankerberg's documented research proves that they are not who they appear to be which by all public perceptions is a benevolent organization.

I also have 2 uncles who were masons that I am convinced had no knowledge of the organization's dark and evil works behind the scenes.

It is very hard to document a lot of what they've done because they are a very secretive and highly organized and they are very loyal to each other on the low and high levels both. For those of you who really want to look into the dark side of Freemasonry there is a lot of research done by John Ankerberg and you can find his website by running his name on the GOOGLE search engine.

For those of you who like to read a well researched book there is an author named "John Daniels" and his book on his vast research about the Freemasons is entitled "Scarlet & The Beast". This work of Mr. Daniels was done after he had done over 2 decades of research on the organization. Mr Daniels really documents everything well and it is a well written expose.

But I do agree with you whtwtrdood that most of the lodge members that you would meet on a day to day basis seemed to be good Ol boys for the most part. The ones I've personally met are good guys for the most part and I'm totally convinced that very few of them even have a clue as to the mission and goals of the organization's hierarchy.

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I believe you guys are either missing the point or are suggesting that because they are old guys, that they are incapable of committing "crimes against humanity" through conspiracy and treason.?

Don't be fooled by their looks or ages. The person you think or have thought that could possibly NOT be a mason (pagan), is more than likely to be one.

These people (through my own project of profiling) claim to have performed the "tower (which means the 1st one world government) of Babylon". They said the reason it wouldn't work then, was because they didn't have any social "unity".

To add, what we call corruption (i.e. bank loans, business start ups, etc, etc) they call "perks". For example... Lets say one regular non-masonic person and a mason walk into a bank wanting a loan. They have the same credit standing and are both well off. But, the one who is a mason, will be more accepted to be approved for that loan than the non-mason. Yeah, they call that perks.
These are the abusers of the system. They are the ones which are provoking the government to tighten the "reigns" on the mass public, more so here in America.

More to come

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And I call that stuff your shoveling a giant load of horse manure. Except for the small local credit unions, places where you have to "join" to do your banking, the days of walking into any bank, large or small, and having someone sitting at a desk in that building decide who gets a loan or not ended around the Carter Administration. In fact, these days, even the Credit Unions use at least on of the three large Credit Bureau's in making most of their decisions.

Loans are approved/declined based on a computerized formula, decided solely by your credit rating and net worth. You can belong to any and every fraternal organization in Podunk, USA but unless your rating falls within certain parameters you won't be able to borrow enough money for the cab ride home.

Besides, I thought the argument being made here was that the Masons we see walking about in our towns were unaware of the "inner circle", the nafrious bunch that want to rule the world? I mean really, some old geezer that lives in a rural community with a population of less than 5,000 is part of the ruling elite? If he were, wouldn't he be living somewhere else in opulence or something?

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Whatever-your-name-is.... You HIGHLY took that unlike a "normal" person. Nice to see I am pissing off the right people. You add to what I say and add "Credit Unions" and throwing some nonsense about the Carter Asso.
Me thinks you are dis-info. Smile

Want to change the subject too huh? I don't think so.

Here's more. This comes by way of our counter-part in the UK. Remember, he's stating FACTS about FM's actions in the UK which in essence is being done world wide.

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I found out that the letter "T" in Masonic Code means "The Silent Dagger". This is what they do to their victims, they collectively drive it in slowly so that you have no choice but to commit suicide. I have no intention whatsoever of doing that. I know we are winning and we need the world to know about these ultimate criminal cowards. They have been controlling ALL of our communications, phone calls/emails/ROYAL MAIL (totally infested with Masons) and that stops us from progressing. This is all comprehensive proof that they are trying to protect their plunder. You should also question the families of suicide victims for foul play by Freemasonry, i.e. The Silent Dagger.

You can find it at the masonfree.co.uk website or here also: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=356470

More to come. Don't piss me off. I WILL FIGHT BACK

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"Don't be fooled by their looks or ages. The person you think or have thought that could possibly NOT be a mason (pagan), is more than likely to be one."

What in the Hell are you talking about? You mean all those old guys I've seen walking into the Mason Hall aren't really Masons? The real ones are actually much younger and sneak in through a tunnel in the basement? The doddering old farts that were at the Memorial Service several years ago were "Faux Masons" meant to lure me into a sense of false security? I hate to disappoint you but they're pretty easy to spot walking around town on meeting night, since they all wear the same lapel pin. Heck, some of em' even have that doohickee on their car's license plate. Seems to me they aren't hiding their membership very well if it's supposed to be a secret.

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Let me tell you of an account while I was working for a National Guard Chaplin/ Baptist Preacher/ Freemason. Yeah, he was an old fart, but couldn't mention anything about FM. If you have ANY senses, this would have tipped you off as bad wrong.

One day I was going to a car. This car had a, oh say about a 20ish yr old looking fellow. I asked if I could help him. He in return said He was looking for (name here). But in the process of all this WHILE speaking with him, he was filling out what looked like a contract of membership into FM (I can not remember if it was Scottish Rite or York, but it did say which one it was for.).

It is not only about the "old" fogies whatever-your-name-is. Somewhere, these old fellows are teaching the new or intermediate initiates of the craft of deception. The FM to members are known as "The Craft".
I wont spell it out for you as I KNOW that you know. It is in how you "speak" here. When you guys start to learn some of the things, you just don't seem "normal" anymore. You stick out. Need I say more. Popular saying... A hit dog hollers.

You whatever-your-name-is, are full of fail. Probably don't even have your 1st lambskin yet. Smile

More to come. Don't piss me off. I WILL FIGHT BACK.

Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 10:19 pm

Hey Brother "Takeastand" you are spot on with your input and observations about "Freemasonry". The nucleus of the organization is truly a satanic cabal of very evil and sinister powerbrokers.

This government shill who calls himself "white wash dude" might indeed be compartmentalized to the point to where he may indeed honestly believe what he is saying here on MTS. Because just remember that deception is satans most sophisticated tool. In a way I sort of feel sorry for these government "yes men" because they possibly just might not even know anything about what is really going on. However in "white wash dude's " case he is probably a subordinate of Marshall Monier or any number of government goons who hate the Browns and anyone else who believes in GOD, The Constitution and being a Free American.

I also feel sorry for them because they think because they are serving these evil bastards that they won't be subjected to the horrendous horrors of the FEMA camps and Federal prisons. But the truth is when they are done with them they will be disposed of like a used Kleenex. Because the sick despots who are in control now even eat their own. Just go check out that website with the J. Edgar Hoover videos for all of you who don't believe me.

But be assured TAKEASTAND is telling the GOD's truth about these demonic Freemason hierarchy.

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I don't think I can say it any better. FM is paganism. We are seeing the reality of the evil of pagan "beliefs".

From Wiki:

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While not an issue in the majority of Lutheran church bodies, a few of them forbid membership in Freemasonry. Partly, this is because the lodge is viewed as spreading Unitarianism, as the Brief Statement of the Missouri Synod reads, "Hence we warn against Unitarianism, which in our country has to a great extent impenetrated the sects and is being spread particularly also through the influence of the lodges."[59] A 1958 report from the publishing house of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod states that, "Masonry is guilty of idolatry. Its worship and prayers are idol worship. The Masons may not with their hands have made an idol out of gold, silver, wood or stone, but they created one with their own mind and reason out of purely human thoughts and ideas. The latter is an idol no less than the former."

Yes, more to come.

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Hi takeastand, Some have said paganism relates to nature, and others I have heard relate them to freemasonry like your last post. I don't really know the definition of paganism, but would like to read your definition (and the dictionary definition doesn't really make anything clear as to what it supports: a person holding religious beliefs other than those of the main world religions).

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Thanks for your question aa. And a wonderful question it is! Smile

Because... I myself do not have a personal definition of pagan(ism), but as I learn more about it and with the added terms like , Luciferianism, Devil(s) and demon(s), I am beginning to see that Our Heavenly Father REALLY meant that they and the practices and beliefs are very much evil. I asked myself this very same question aa. If it is nature that they "worship", then why all the anarchist behavior?

Is this the way we are supposed to behave with the brain and mentality we have? Are we to be simpletons? Or be elite above others? Scripture shows that there are extremes at both ends that people go to. Therefore they can not OBTAIN control for themselves.
For example: An alcoholic can not say no to a drink. He either gets it or NONE at all. So, that would leave out the ritual wine when we come together for Our Father's feasts, right? Either the person does too much or does too little. But he gave us instruction to find a middle or better word, MODERATE.
Everything in moderation.

Sorry to get off track, but paganism so far means to me that the lusts of the flesh and mind are met by doing sinful acts. Yes, this is why we have diseases rampant and deviant behavior (you know what I mean) and skyrocketing crime.

Like I said brother/ sister. This definition is still finding itself perfected. But the model for it is FM.

Until next time.

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To add a quick thought before I forget.
If nature or any pagan belief for that matter is worshiped, why the drugs? Why the promiscuous sex?

Be faithful to yourself and worship the Maker that MADE ALL THINGS. Or at least give him some due credit.

Praise YAHWEH and may you all be blessed with His peace.

We may see America broken, we may see The Vatican destroyed and we may see the Seat of Roman Power dissolve. But none of these places will hold the One World Government. No, it will place itself in Jerusalem, Israel. But when The REAL MESSIAH returns, That mountain, the one world government, will be torn. And his truth and justice will flow like a river of life.

Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 9:21 pm

Very well said Brother Takeastand!!

Just a little bit of raw truth puts these spineless cowards firmly in their place.

It's just like the good book says.. It all boils down to light and darkness.

That's why our detractors have to do their dirt in a very sneaky fashion behind the scenes.

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takeastand, from what I have read, the Freemasons were called Luciferians, in that they and the Illuminati believed in Lucifer. Is there not a difference between paganism and luciferianism?

I was rather shocked to find out that they were opening a branch of Freemasons that would hold their meetings in some part of Buckingham Palace. That was just within the past couple of months.

Now I always heard that the Catholic Church created the Knights of Columbus to counteract the work of the Freemasons.............what do you know about that. Now I read that the Illuminati are all Jesuits. Seems as though they all infiltrated each other and decided to cooperate and share the spoils rather than fight each other.

Edit: I think I found the answer .............dark pagans = luciferians.

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Thank you for this dialog Maid. Very thought provoking indeed!

Anyways to continue on your thought. It's all an act. Regardless if they portray themselves to be divided, they are very much united. Like we should be.

Look at this taken from Wiki via google search of "York Rite" (they might change it so look as soon as you can):

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The Knights Templar is the final order joined in the York Rite. Unlike other Masonic bodies which only require a belief in a Supreme Being regardless of religion, membership in Knights Templar is open only to Royal Arch Masons who promise to defend the Christian faith.

Now, we see a contradictory. A Knight Templar can be of any religion just by believing in a "supreme" being, BUT at the same time defending the christian faith. Makes one go and say "Hmmmm."

If you look at this and also see how FM acknowledges the same thing, they are tied together. Like we should be.

The better way to see the KT and Jesuits and FM is this way. More than likely you have the Jesuits and the KT under the York Rite and FM with their ranking with the Scottish Rite. It paints a picture of England and Scotland doesn't? But anyways before I lose track; See the York Rite as a Military Wing and the Scottish Rite (with all it's "degree's" or rankings) as administrative.

I am sure they have other hidden orders that like The Order of Jesters (hidden until recently) but they will come out in due time through more research.

But none-the-less people, as I have pointed out. The Vatican is indeed the seat of religious power over the mass, of paganism. Scripture undoubtedly points in her direction (although they would like to deny it). If anything is pictured or described as a whore, the have committed serious wrongdoing (in this case of absorbing instead of destroying pagan religion) and are committing the teachings to the world. Or teaching a mixture of righteousness and evil instead of complete righteousness.

So, if you want. One could look at The Vatican as being the source of this treachery against the mass. But it is the Roman seat which still stands that condones and approves these acts. And uses Americas military to POLICE and SUBJECT people to its will.

Maid, the Lodge in Buckingham Palace was supposed to be kept secret. But someone was excited and overzealous and eventually it was leaked.

One person is in power over all this but we don't yet know who. But they have convinced all of the underlings that this path is to help them become a better person. LOL

The Bible is the best life manual anyone can have.

Any Pagan=Luciferians.

And JD- it was always about Light=truth and righteous justice and exposing corruption -vs- Darkness=Lucifer

Our Messiah (although it was prophesied) was murdered because no one came forward to defend him. He had plenty of witnesses for his defense, but NO ONE came forward.

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OMG....................the friend, that I talk about from time to time who is a judge.................is a Jester. I did read that the Jesters too were part of the Freemasons. I was talking very openly about all of this and he was not communicative. He never has told me that he was a jester but I remember that he had it on his licence plates as his identification years ago.

You know this friend was also friends with another man who I know for a fact was in the rackets and loan sharking.................God knows what else.
I guess the corruption just goes on and on!

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Funny you should mention Judge Maid.

I was just told yesterday by a close (non-mason) friend of mine, that a co-worker of his (a mason) had court and it was for a major traffic violation. He asked the judge;

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Have you ever gone East when you should have gone West?

. The Judge reduced his crime to a misdemeanor and let him go.

This was a short account of what my friend was telling me. Obviously, the mason in this account was young and was bragging about how he got off "easy" by having saying something to identify that he was one of them.

More to come

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:01 pm

There is a lady who has wrote a very interesting book entitled "Hidden Dangers Of The Rainbow". Her name is Constance Cumby. I got to go to one of her lectures here in Kansas City a few years ago and I was blown away by her vast knowledge of the Freemasons and other secret societies as well.

Her main line of expertise is the "New Age Movement" but her expertise goes way beyond that group. She is also an expert on some of Freemasonry's darkest members i.e. Albert Pike, Alistair Crowley and many others.

I highly encourage all of you to check out her work. She had a memory similar to my PC. She is also a trial lawyer as well.

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Maid said:

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Edit: I think I found the answer .............dark pagans = luciferians.

I am apologizing to you because you ARE right in this thought.

Just giving you credit. I will explain later.

Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:14 pm

I was doing some internet research today and I stumbled upon a few guys who turned out to be Freemasons that I had no idea that they were.

I even followed it up on Jeff Rense's website to confirm it. Sure enough these boys belonged to the club.

Billy Graham
Kenneth Copeland
Robert Schuller
Norman Vincent Peale

I got to admit that I was a bit amazed when I discovered that Billy Graham was one. Also on Rense's website they have documented evidence that Schuller took part in some kind of Luciferian ceremony.
The also made mention that ORal Roberts was in that club too. However I had heard before that he was one of the gang.

I always wondered how these TV preachers ever got the fanfare and political power that they had. Now I know.

I'm sure that the Freemasons could lead you down hundreds of rabbit holes leading to many off-shoot money trails. Interesting Cool

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Well that was over month ago when I posted takeastand...............and there
has been so much other "stuff" in between that I need to go back and see why I posted that.

I don't know very much about the Masons, Illuminati really except what I have learned in the past year. I do know that their symbols and their ritual numbers are all over the place now.............and from what I have read they seem to love to do things by way of ritual and the power they give to numbers.

The only thing I know is that they were not considered to be very good people in the family that I grew up in..............but there was never much talk about them.............just the heavy silence. The Catholic church forbid any Catholic to join the Masons when I was young. I do not know what the position of the Catholic church is on that organization today.

Most societies who insist on secrecy seem to be up to no good............maybe I am being simplistic.............but that seems to be my experience on the whole matter.

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Where ever you see the (brainwashed) mass, there you will see a FM or other Society Member leading them. TBN anyone? The road less traveled is better.

Just learned, "government" means (govern = control, ment = mind - Hence "Control of the Mind").

I believe it was JD or aa that brought this up (could be someone else) but as a reminder, religion = to bind (bondage). Man is just another creation. NO MAN OR ANOTHER CREATED BEING (IN GOVERNMENT OR RELIGION) WILL HAVE CONTROL OVER ME AND I WILL NOT BE ENSLAVED...EVER. SELF-government has been dictated for me.

Just got done reading some KISS lyrics specifically from the album "The Elder"(weird). The Album is heavily laced speaking of FM. Symbolically the rose is a symbol for England (The Crown) and it is Our National Flower (Our Allegence now revealed to us is to England- The Crown).

At one time, christianity was supposed to be a "new movement" for white magick or positive energy. But within a thousand years of its birth they destroyed it before it was able to mature. The bible speaks real heavy of astral projection (in a positive way) and meditation. Several omitted books (which you can download here for free: http://www.ecmarsh.com/index.htm ) points out that white magick (Soloman- slayer or "controller" of demons(lack of a better word)) was used. I personally believe that the Catholic Church was once pure as the word "catholic" means "universal" as "God" IS the Universe (the energy or psychic energy life force in EVERYONE)- Multi-dimensional. BUT since it DID not follow guidance, it was poisoned by the dark arts of Luciferianism -Dark Paganism.

But now, since the dumbed down version of christianity is very closed minded, they are against the movement of whats called "The New Age". which includes peace loving people and collaborations of white or positive forces to heal this sentient being that is our planet. The negative forces are war mongering and very destructive and want to see this new work gone as well.

Something to read: http://www.greatdreams.com/reptlan/rhneg.htm

To close, I also believe that Michael Tsarion is the Michael spoken of in Revelations as it signifies a new work. We have a lot of work to do. Looks like Magick is not "evil" as long as it is used for righteousness sake. To add then I will go- Astral Projection is used in FM.

Hey, it's Lodge Night!!!

This is the last post for me here as I have a lot of studying to do in matters of this subject. Most of our battles are etheric and if we don't confront them there, they will bleed into the physical world.

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I have been reading and listen a lot to Allen Watt and Cutting through the Matrix. He seems to do a masterful job in exposing the Free Mason, Illuminati. If I understood him correctly it seems that the Illuminati lay the new "religions" out also. I believe that they infiltrated most/all Christian religions and corrupted them. Allen said the the "New Age Religion" was the new world religion of this century.............sort of a one World Religion, if I remember it correctly.

I need to go back and take some notes to become clearer on this whole issue. I have to do some real study too. Just gone through the most of it once and sort of recoiled in shock. Now that I am shockproof............I need to go back once more and really get a handle on it all.

All I know is they can not do this to us..........unless we let them. Our silence is our complicity.