A Spiritual Heart to Heart between a Christ and a Clergyman. - A Spiritual Heart to Heart between a Christ and a Clergyman. To: "Raymond Karczewski" <arkent3> Subject: Re: WHO is a Christ? - Tom Dear Ray, td: > I appreciate your comments, yet I must respond to you because we need to cl

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:01 am

A Spiritual Heart to Heart between a Christ and a Clergyman.

To: "Raymond Karczewski" <arkent3>
Subject: Re: WHO is a Christ? - Tom

Dear Ray,

td: > I appreciate your comments, yet I must respond to you because we need to clear things up for other's sake on the subject of "who is a CHRIST."

rk: By all means it is time to clear things up, once and for all. The Satanic Myth of Jesus of Nazareth has gone on far too long. When will the mind controlled "munchkins" awaken from their hypnotic (religious) trance.

td: > You are a "christ" to the world, as Israel was in the Old Testament, obeying

rk: Lets leave the Bible out of it. Lets leave all prior conditioning out of this conversation, for if we do not, we shall not be in communication with one another. The words of dead men shall overtake the conversation. Let us speak and communicate TRUTH only to each other and to the world. Let all who have the "eyes to see and ears to hear" grasp the Truth as best they can.
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rk: Speak to me of your understanding, not of your rote-memory renderings passed down the ages through Satanic Organized thinking. Strip away everything you think you know and speak to me from such vast quietness. For such unbounded awareness is the Christ State of Consciousness.

rk: Prior to the Bible, prior to religions, prior to thought based governments, Christ Consciousness IS.

td: > ONE God. Israel was warned that there are "other gods," whom they should not obey!

rk: All such petty Satanic "gods" are thought based images, including the mythical christ worshipped by Christianity today.

rk: Truth is God. All else are images of Truth to varying degrees. They are Satanic Illusions. If the First Commandment were to be written simply and not meant to confuse and mystify, it would say "I AM TRUTH, THOU SHALT NOT WORSHIP FALSE IMAGES OF TRUTH.

rk: Ask yourself tom, do you know of any organized religion that does not employ such images of truth as their foundation. It is the blind who lead the blind, that huddle in ignorance and worship graven images while the TRUTH is all around them, for them to see, if only they would open their Spiritual Eyes.

td: > Israel's religion recognized a "dual God," that is why He "created" Evil Isa.45:7 to have a balance between the environment of "good and evil" He created for us and the angelic hosts Gen.2:9.

rk: Save it Tom!, Your pulling your comments out of your Satanic Conditioning and you appear to be completely UNAWARE of it. That Tom, is the ignorance that I speak of when I address the masses. They think they know, but such petty argumentative knowledge keeps them at odds with one another, all the while the TRUTH is staring them right in the face. Men go to war. Men die because of such Satanic Ignorance.

td: > This is why Israel and all of us, humans and angels must "choose" between "good and evil" and choose "good" or "LIFE and GOOD and DEATH and EVIL" Deut.30:15!

rk: In Christ Consciousness, there is no choice. There is balance between the opposites of duality. It is that razors edge that is the realm of Christ Consciousness. Who do you know. aside from this Christ who abides in such tenuous balance. (It is even impossible for you to discern what I ask of you, for such clarity, such unbounded awareness is required. In other words it takes a Christ to UNDERSTAND another Christ.

rk; I speak and communicate of Divine Awareness, you speak of acquired Satanic knowledge.

td: > Your God and my God are the same God Heb.13:8, while the "world's god" is the Anti-god, also known as Satan the Devil Jn.8:44, who is the "god of this world" 2Cor.4:4, ruling the world in place of our Creator in this first 6000 years pre-ordained for "evil."

rk: You compare gods, a dualistic intellectual exercize. I compare NOTHING. I resonate with nondualistic Truth, God, Divine Awareness.

rk: If you truly understood me, there would be no you and no me, for we would be ONE IN UNDERSTANDING. That is the nature of Truth. That is the nature of Love. Open your spiritual eyes and you will see what I am saying to you.

td: > We know that God our Creator, is Jesus our Christ Eph.3:9. We both know Him differently by His "revelations" to us.

rk: I KNOW no such thing for I and Jesus are ONE with Truth. That oneness I speak of is merely an idea that the Satanically conditioned strive for, when they already have it, were they to allow their noisy satanic intellect to lay fallow for only a moment.

td: > You about God to "obey" His Old Testament "laws of flesh" Rom.7:25, while I know Him by the New Testament's "laws of faith" Rom.3:27.

rk: Your intellectual projection is duly noted. You see Tom, you are ruled by the security of your knowledge, and cannot surrender, "Let Go, Let God."

td: > As you know in the Old Testament there was NO salvation, eternal life given, only promised. In the New Testament salvation was given through "death." I also know our God from His "mystery" administration, given to Apostle Paul Eph.3:3, by the "laws of the spirit" Rom.8:2, which make it possible to be in the "resurrection" to eternal life "without dying" IThes.4:17.

rk: Tom, with all due respect, STOP all of your infernal Satanic meanderings which have commandeered your consciousness as a religious leader, a leader bent on leading others, and just BE QUIET.

rk: In that simple act of ending the thought process, dying to the intellect, the Resurrection of Divine Intelligence shall emerge in your consciousness and you shall discover the "Peace on Earth which is understood by all men of good (God) will."

rk: In that pristine, nondualistic moment of quiet, you may scour the earth, look hither, thither and yon, and you shall not FIND AN ENEMY. That is the State of Love that men strive for but never attain. That is the Love Jesus of Nazareth spoke of. That is the Love, I speak of.

td: > We are both fighting the "lawlessness" or "iniquity" Mat.7:23 of "this world" of the Anti-god, and asking people to CHOOSE God, to be "free" from the bondage, to which we were "pre-ordained" to be in our "first stage" of our creation process, as we go through God's "operation" of salvation Col.2:12.

rk: Tom, from the standpoint of Christ Consciousness, i.e., Divine Awareness, you cannot get here (Christ Consciousness) from there, -- "there" meaning dualistic Satanic conditioned thought. What I and Jesus have spoken of is so simple, so utterly effortless, yet the masses who are condition via remote Satanic mind controllers prefer the complication of intellect with its endless strivings. While in the intellect, there can be no LOVE, for intellect requires endless opposition, both within and without. It is Hell, is it not?

td: > You, and I experience that "God's ways" are a total "foolishness" to the world ICor.2:14. They can't respond to God's truth, because they lack God's "holy spirit" to lift them into the fifth (5) dimension, from our third (3) dimension. ( the angels are in the invisible fourth (4) dimension ruling over humanity in this age. )

rk: Tom, again, with all due respect, your dimensional explanations are no more than Satanic drivel. So you have certain ideas, another has other ideas, you each hold to your own sacred ideas, and in doing so are willing to go to war over them. War is Death. Satan is the god of war. Truth is the God of Life.

td: > It is given in this "age" or "dispensation" Eph.1:10 that only a "few" to find "the way to eternal life" Mat.7:14. The "many" of humanity will be saved in the coming "ages to come" Eph.2:7.

rk: That is nothing more than Satanic Priestly nonsense. Who amongst you are capable of giving "dispensation" to another.

rk: Hell, you're all on your own. Do you not see that I am in your world, but not of it? Understand that and you don't need priests, clergy, psychiatrists, psychologists, counselors. Do you not see that such Satanic businesses along with the drug pushing pharmaceutical companies are Satan's velvet glove to Government Iron Fist, in forging the two sided coin of Satanic power in this world.

rk: The masses are controlled through their own consent. They embrace, agree to allow another to keep them poor, exploited, and stupid. It is through codependence and lack of responsibility, that civilized man has "FALLEN FROM GRACE." Look at the world civilized man has made for himself. It could not have been forged without the Satanic Institutions of government and religion. -- All because of the irresistible urge to take a bite out of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge.

td: > God is LOVE IJn.4:7, and His "love covers all sin" Prov.10:12, this includes the "SIN" [which is the transgression of any of God's three (3) laws IJn.3:4] of humanity and the angelic hosts (good and evil)!

rk: Tom, again forgive me, but your words are just words. They do not resonate with Truth, but reflect the dissonance of unfulfilled aspirations.

td: > God loves ALL of us. This is why He "pre-ordained" our salvation 2Tim.1:9 before the world was created, but only a "few" are or were "pre-ordained" in this age to be saved now Mat.7:14; Acts.10:41; Jn.6:44.

td: > The sacrifice of humanity is needed in God's plan for the angel's salvation, as Christ's sacrifice was needed for humanities salvation. This is another issue.

rk: "OUCH"!! See how easy it is for a priest or clergyman to sanction human sacrifice. Satanic, isn't it?

td: > Yes, all Christians are Christ to this world, if they just believe it and act according to it.

rk: Silly men can believe they are Christs till the cows come home. When the cows finally arrive, they just discover they are "silly men" believing and aspiring to worship graven images.

td: > Blessings, in the reality of Christ's eternal love,

Tom Demeter

rk: Tom, in this communication I have not intended else but to communicate Truth. Pay attention to your own reactions to what your read and allow that to be your spiritual Teachers, not some silly book commissioned and written by Satanic worshipping men of power.

rk: The pope is a politician, a Satanic one at that. The Vatican is a Satanic stronghold, for Satan rules the Hellish world based in the thought of civilized men.

rk: Tom, I want to thank you for this opportunity to go into further depth of spiritual matters, the Satanic controllers of this world would rather be kept from the masses. You and others will note that few ask serious questions of me which draw out serious dialogue. It is your energy which has elicited the responses which have arisen from the depths of my being, TRUTH.

rk: My job is to awaken men from their hypnotic trance, to open their eyes to their own True Estate, that of CHRISTS WITHOUT AMNESIA.

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"No other man but I in the recorded History of
mankind, including JESUS CHRIST, has directly
revealed to the World the SATANIC WEAPON used to
enslave mankind -- INTELLECTUAL THOUGHT!!"

Raymond Ronald Karczewski© http://www.arkenterprises.com

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Quote:

In that pristine, nondualistic moment of quiet, you may scour the earth, look hither, thither and yon, and you shall not FIND AN ENEMY. That is the State of Love that men strive for but never attain. That is the Love Jesus of Nazareth spoke of. That is the Love, I speak of.

um...

But havent you gone out of your way to make enemies?????????

Are not all the confused satanists your enemy??

ALSO...

You... never shut up.

you... have made counltless enemies... and you dont care..

You... as yet have never spoken words of love.... truth maybe... but not love for all, thats for sure.

Are you so sure you have attained this state of love???

And im sorry... but... I dont see you preaching love at all.

I see you bringing a message of truth... and it isnt pretty.

it isnt nice... and doesnt bring love.... it brings CONFLICT.

DONT GET ME WRONG... i love your speaches!!!!!!!!

And you are an awesome writer... and you do speak TRUTH.

But... you need to re-examine your own love parameters.

-MT

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:09 am

Are we still friends?

Godsmystery <godsmystery>

Raymond Karczewski* <arkent3>

Jan 31, 2008 4:06 PM

Dear Ray,

I sent you a theological clarification of my beliefs which are different from yours. I hope you have seen from my letter that we are not enemies, but
fellow fighters for truth.

We are fighting on different angles but we are fighting the same enemy.

Let me know your thoughts on this.
Tom,

I am glad you saw it that way, for that was the way it was meant. I write and am guided by the holistic spirit of Truth. I am a conduit for the Divine Spirit of Truth. It is a big statement, but one that is true. My mother, a staunch roman catholic, once asked be where did I learn that of which I spoke. I could not answer her satisfactoriy, for she could not let go of her conditioning.

I understand the energy of my words resonate differently from those functioning solely from the Intellect -- which is the rest of civilized society.

The greatest spiritual realization awaiting the average spiritual seeker is the simple understanding of the vastness of Satanic conditioning that permeates the consciousness of the average religious believer.

I do not expect to be understood in my lifetime. My words will live to assist serious seekers when they are ready.

Ray

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I do not agree that Ray has made enemies. Speaking the truth automatically does that to the satanic mind. Just whose love parameters need to be re-examined here anyway? Seems like projection once again and Ray is being abused by your unsolicited advice MT!

When one realizes that there is no separation and can meditate to the point when the mind is still, that is where you will find truth and love. It takes time and the dicipline to go into the gap, but one can attain that state nevertheless. There are those who stay in that dimension all or most of the time and those of us who grasp it for periods of time.

I know from my own experience that when I meditate, twice daily before sunrise and before sunset for approximately one half hour, this state of being is much more easily achieved. The thing is that I do not have the dicipline to do this consistantly....... Seems I am easily distracted..........but I am improving!

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Anyone who calls themselves a Christ... should preach love, and then evolve that love through levels where by it can BE used by the reasoning minds of the masses to overcome the satanic programmed influences and patterns of nueron connections, that chain them to the intellect.

Ray, has himself, inspired my mind in this area of thought, and I was compelled to stress that point.

Rage is blind.... but when guided by love... it becomes a super weapon.

-MT

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:33 am

Mosheh_Thezion wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent3@earthlink.net) wrote:

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:38 pm

mtz: > Anyone who calls themselves a Christ... should preach love, and then evolve that love through levels where by it can BE used by the reasoning minds of the masses to overcome the satanic programmed influences and patterns of nueron connections, that chain them to the intellect.

rk: Is not the problem you expound upon your own problem? You do not understand what Love is? You do not understand what a Christ is? Oh, you have some thoughts over these things that have been conditioned into you over time, and you agree with them, disagreeing with anything that does not reinforce those Satanic conditioned thoughts.

rk: Is not the real problem that you are unaware, you do not understand that the reasoning mind, the dualistic intellect which is unable, cannot ever touch the hem of Truth is a poor substitute for spiritual sight which can see and resonate with the nondualistic essence of Truth, and no matter how much you "gussy" it up, with "fancy schmancy words, explanations, and illustrations", you still remain blind to the truth of which you speak?

rk: I do not preach. I do not speak to the masses. I have no following, no organization. I speak to the winds. I speak to the individual now lurking in the masses who has the "eyes to see and ears to hear", and is ready for a change in his/her life. Face it mtz, you and the other disinfo agents working this forum haven' t a clue of what I am saying. and as long as you remain ensconced in your petty satanic intellect, YOU NEVER WILL. This response is not being written to you, for you are lost. It is written to others who might be able to see the game that Satanists have played in the control of their fellow men for mellenium.

rk: Your area of expertise is manipulation and creating conflict couched in positive, schmoozy, images desired and pleasured by the addicted masses. Is not that the bread and butter technique of the priestly, clergy class of hypocrite? Check out your parish priest who speaks to you of salvation in terms of great positive imagery on one hand while he "buggers" your kid on the other hand. It doesn't matter that they are exposed, the sheeple are incapable of breaking loose from the hypnotic hold of the clergy and priesthood. The power of Satanic thought must not be underestimated

mtz: > Ray, has himself, inspired my mind in this area of thought, and I was compelled to stress that point.

mtz: > Rage is blind.... but when guided by love... it becomes a super weapon.

rk: Rage, Love, Weapon. Spoken like a Satanist, eh?

Ray

-MT

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I was going to reply to Mtz but, once again you have covered it all Ray, and in a much more eloquent way than I possibly ever could.

Thank you for being you! Know that you are respected and appreciated by many and that is not only on this forum.

I for one am greatful for the MtZ that come and post on this forum..........there are usually 30 to 40 people reading the posts. How better to expose them to non dualistic thinking than have them read your posts!

Keep it up Ray.........I feel your posts are some of the most informative and brillant ones on this forum! Very hard for sheeple to grasp, but I am hopeful that things are changing.

MtZ .............. we don't should on ourselves. Just try doing that for a start and see what happens.

It is pure hell to live one's life in the shoulda, coulda and wouldas Great way to make one miserable!

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:09 pm

Just for the record, this original article and replies have been removed from MYSpace Forums. Do you now understand the power of Truth as having its effect upon Satanic groups steeped in Satanic Mind Control? Somebody sure as hell is understanding this Christ.

Ray

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Ray wrote:

rk: I do not preach. I do not speak to the masses. I have no following, no organization. I speak to the winds. I speak to the individual now lurking in the masses who has the "eyes to see and ears to hear", and is ready for a change in his/her life. Face it mtz, you and the other disinfo agents working this forum haven' t a clue of what I am saying. and as long as you remain ensconced in your petty satanic intellect, YOU NEVER WILL. This response is not being written to you, for you are lost. It is written to others who might be able to see the game that Satanists have played in the control of their fellow men for mellenium.

in such a case... YOU ARE NOT A CHRIST....

Your more like a HUBBARD.

Im sorry... but its true.

-MT

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You are really funny Mosheh.

However I need to ask do you mean HUBBARD as in L. Ron Hubbard the founder of Scientology or do you mean to tell us that Ray is now Old Mother Hubbard..........as in .............

Old Mother Hubbard
Went to the cupboard
To get her poor dog a bone.

When she went there
The cupboard was bare
And the Dog had no bone
Of its own!

And why did you capitalize HUBBARD? Laughing

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Does TD know you posted his writtings here, or are you just using it to prop youself up again.