LaKota Nation Reaffirms Its Independence From U.S. - http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=2&content Lakota Nation Secedes from USA by LAKOTAFREEDOM.COM [PHOTO: Mni yuha Najin Win (Phyllis Young) and Oyate Wacinyapin (Russell Means) at December 19, 2007 Press Conference]

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Lakota Nation Secedes from USA
by LAKOTAFREEDOM.COM

[PHOTO: Mni yuha Najin Win (Phyllis Young) and Oyate Wacinyapin (Russell Means) at December 19, 2007 Press Conference]

We are the freedom loving Lakota from the Sioux Indian reservations of Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota and Montana who have suffered from cultural and physical genocide in the colonial apartheid system we have been forced to live under

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Russell Means Article:
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=2&contentid=4862

Lakota Indian Nation Declares Independence from US
by AFP

(PHOTO:Indian rights activist Russell Means, picured here in April, announced on Wednesday that the Lakota Indians, who gave the world legendary warriors Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse, have withdrawn from treaties with the US.)

(Dec. 20,2007) The Lakota Indians, who gave the world legendary warriors Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse, have withdrawn from treaties with the United States, leaders said Wednesday.

Read the full articles at the above links.

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Seeking confirmation of this...

True or hoax?

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IT IS TRUE...

ive been seeking contact information for their leadership, but it seems that their number one problem is that they dont have one... no one central authority to even attempt contacting... only loose groups.

if anyone knows contact info, i would appreciate it.

-MT

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I mentioned this lawyer friend in one of my posts awhile back. Annette is an attorney who worked for the Puyallup tribe. She was trying to get the government to live up to the treaties they had signed with the Puyallup Tribe. She was also the one who some government official called the Chief and complained about. The Official told the Chief that she was a bitch and he could not work with her. The Chief's response was "Yes and she is our bitch!"

I emailed her telling her about the interview I heard with Russell Means on RBN today, along with the information I had found on google. While I realize she has retired she worked in this field for years. This was part of her email reply:

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Happy Holidays to you too. I saw something about that
secession the other day - sounds good to me. We may
have better control over our government if we devolve
back into separate states - the independent
nation-state of Washington, Oregon, California, etc.
50 small independant nation-states would almost
certainly be much less destructive than the United
States . . . plus, of course, potentially hundreds of
Indian nations . . . I find that a hopeful vision.

I worked for the Puyallup Tribe, and may go back to
work for them on a very part-time (three days a week)
basis, as we're planning to be back up here for 6
months (July-December) in 2008.

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Annette is one of very few lawyers that I would trust completely. I will check with her from time to time and update on this forum. She will give me the straight scoop, without betraying any confidentiality issues she has of course.

They definitely have given the government secession papers and Russell Means was on RBN today with Charles Giuliani discussing the whole proceedure. I only got the tail end of the interview so I can not really report with any amount of accuracy. Russell Means himself talked about the secession and he was one of the participants. Because I was blown away by this news I then googled it found the above information and posted the above post.

I specifically posted this news because I wondered if anyone else had more information and would add to this story.

I find this incredible news and yet it was not covered anywhere on the MSM. This gives you some idea how controlled the media is today in America. Yet they have all kinds of nonsense taking up hours of our time. I can not believe this really news worthy event took place and it was not covered! Mind blowing.....................well America has to have our fix of Britney, Paris and Lindsey I guess..............God it is pathetic!

It will be interesting to see how the U.S. Government reacts. All I know is that if there are any more small pox blankets to be given out I would like to be damn sure that they are given to the white man this time round! Those small pox blankets was typical genocide that was practiced on the idigenous people and continues to be practiced worldwide to this day. Our hands are bloodied with they way the native American was treated by the white settlers. Now we find out that we are not, and have not even lived up to most of the signed treaties. Again, we the American people say and do nothing.

Michael Herzog, of Republic Broadcasting Network is planning to have Russell Means back on sometime soon for another follow up interview. In the mean time I am sure you can get the interview with Charles Giuliani and Means that was on today from the archives. I do not know if it was a rerun because of the Christmas holiday, however I believe that this action on the part of Means took place on Dec. 16/07. Will try and make sure of the exact date of the interview and post it here. *

********Listened again today to Charlie Giuliani on RBN and he made mention of the interview he had with Russell Means yesterday December 26/07. So that would be the date if anyone is interested in listing to the interview from the archives.************Added Dec.27/07 MM

Here is a link that will fill you in on Russell Means who has been working with the American Indian Movement, (AIM) for over thirty years!

http://www.russellmeans.com/bio.html

Russell Means is a life long indigenous rights/constitutional rights activist, actor, artist and author. His best selling autobiography "Where White Men Fear to Tread" is currently on its 11th printing. Russell has spoken al all major universities in the United States and England. In 1977 he completed a lecture tour in Switzerland. In 1987 he lectured in Japan and South Korea. In 1990 he completed a lecture tour in Spain, 2005 lecture tour of Italy and 2006 lectured in Australia. Russell has and continues to be an active political voice. His most famous speech delivered to thousands of people from all over the world at the Black Hills International Survival Gathering in 1980, "For America to Live Europe Must Die" has been included in America's top 100 speeches (reprinted in the appendix of his autobiography).

Russell Means has his doctorate in American Indian Humanities and is a Senior Law Partner in the Red Cloud Law Firm. He is one of the most magnetic speakers of our time. His lectures are well attended. Russell is a topical speaker who addresses the issues of the day.

Read his full biography at the above link.

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Check out the archives for December 26, 2007, RBN .....Charlie Giuliani's interview with Russell Means.

While listening once again today to RBN and Charlie Giuliani he made reference to his interview with Russel Means yesterday.

Pretty sad when a news event of this stature can't make the MSM in America.

Mosheh............you could not have done very thorough research, or you would know a lot more about the Indian Nations and their leaders than what you posted..........oh yeah you have been exposed as a disinformation agent right?

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MaidMarion wrote:

Check out the archives for December 26, 2007, RBN .....Charlie Giuliani's interview with Russell Means.

While listening once again today to RBN and Charlie Giuliani he made reference to his interview with Russel Means yesterday.

Pretty sad when a news event of this stature can't make the MSM in America.

Mosheh............you could not have done very thorough research, or you would know a lot more about the Indian Nations and their leaders than what you posted..........oh yeah you have been exposed as a disinformation agent right?

yeah thats me....

anyway... i have looked... and just like you, i have no contact info to post.....

my interest is to help them be sovereign in all the ways that matter, which means their own established version of a consitution, a central government, and the production of their own currency used to put their people to work in long term efforts to bring prosperity to their land.
not to mention taking over communist fashion all the farming which is availble to feed their people and sell the exess, and to expand their gambling options, which, are not limited to permission from the fed any longer.
a sovereign nation, needs to act like one.
itis not good enough to declare it.

its like you people...

you seem to think by declaring it, you are automatically sovereign... but that is not true.

the indians, are supposed to be sovereign,and they can be if they dont listen to people like you who think that its all in the mind.

its not in the mind, its in treaty agreements that are very old.

they....

the lakota, are not opting out of all treaties... just the new ones.

they are resting on the old original treaties that gave them sovereignty.

but it is meaningless unless they realise how to use it to end their poverty.

i believe i can help.

-MT

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Geezus your ego knows no limits. What makes you think that Russell Means would want or think he needs your help.

Quite frankly if I were a native American, I would want no part of any white man.

Go check your facts Mosheh................

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MaidMarion wrote:

Geezus your ego knows no limits. What makes you think that Russell Means would want or think he needs your help.

Quite frankly if I were a native American, I would want no part of any white man.

Go check your facts Mosheh................

if russle means is in charge....

then the massive crippling poverty of the Lakota, IS HIS FAULT.

and I am not white... im a light brown mutt.

And yes, my ego is massive, and I use it to give me the strength to believe I can overcome....

something which the Lakota need in abundance.

-MT

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First of all learn to spell his name right, it is Russell Means.

If you had any idea about what you were talking about you would not make such a stupid statement ...............as claiming Russell Means was responsible. He has worked long and hard to right the wrongs that were done to his people.

Since your massive ego is all that is evident on this forum, I doubt very much if Russell Means or any other Indian for that matter would want you around even though you claim you are brown skinned!

Maybe if you spend some time on that Church of yours you would stop being so annoying to the rest of us here on this site. Just a suggestion Mosheh, but one that would be greatly appreciated if you took it seriously! Wink

So be a good boy and make people happy O.K. Thanks, bye bye!

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MaidMarion wrote:

First of all learn to spell his name right, it is Russell Means.

If you had any idea about what you were talking about you would not make such a stupid statement ...............as claiming Russell Means was responsible. He has worked long and hard to right the wrongs that were done to his people.

Since your massive ego is all that is evident on this forum, I doubt very much if Russell Means or any other Indian for that matter would want you around even though you claim you are brown skinned!

Maybe if you spend some time on that Church of yours you would stop being so annoying to the rest of us here on this site. Just a suggestion Mosheh, but one that would be greatly appreciated if you took it seriously! Wink

So be a good boy and make people happy O.K. Thanks, bye bye!

maybe... your not aware of the fact that the Lakota people, are living in abject 3rd world poverty, right in the heartland of the USA.

maybe you blame someone else..... maybe you blame the government of the USA, and clearly it is their fault.

Maybe Russel Means is not to blame....

but someone is...

and since you know so much, maybe you can tell me who is.

-MT

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I have found contact info...

thanks for the little details.

-MT

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Sorry, I am not into giving solicited or unsolicited advise. I am not into pointing the finger. For me, what works best is striving to look within to learn what I need to do. That is the behavior of a soverign.

If you read the articles I posted, with any kind of comprehension, you will learn that it is the Indians themselves who make the statement that "they have been living under colonial genocide." I also never claimed to have great first hand knowledge about what has gone on with any of the Indian Nations. I do have a dear friend that has spent all of her life trying to get the government to honor all of the treaties that they signed with the Indians. We have spent a lot of time together talking about these issues in the past. I trust and value her first hand knowledge.

I am sorry to hear that you have made some kind of contact. I can only hope that it is not to gather information or spread any disinformation.

You still have not spelled his name correctly it is Russell, with a double l.

At least I know that much! Rolling Eyes

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MaidMarion wrote:

Sorry, I am not into giving solicited or unsolicited advise. I am not into pointing the finger. For me, what works best is striving to look within to learn what I need to do. That is the behavior of a soverign.

If you read the articles I posted, with any kind of comprehension, you will learn that it is the Indians themselves who make the statement that "they have been living under colonial genocide." I also never claimed to have great first hand knowledge about what has gone on with any of the Indian Nations. I do have a dear friend that has spent all of her life trying to get the government to honor all of the treaties that they signed with the Indians. We have spent a lot of time together talking about these issues in the past. I trust and value her first hand knowledge.

I am sorry to hear that you have made some kind of contact. I can only hope that it is not to gather information or spread any disinformation.

You still have not spelled his name correctly it is Russell, with a double l.

At least I know that much! Rolling Eyes

1) know that I have not contacted them, only that I prepare to, which will take some time, and formal research, also, at this time they are recieving massive assistance from all types of groups, including perhaps Russia, so at this time, they would not have an ear for my words.
however, unless these other advisors can help them pan this all out, it is unlikely they will be able to solve for the crippling poverty, and so, then they maybe willing to listen.

2) why do you suggest i spread disinofrmation????

which information was that????

was it the part about how to set all americans free??

3) Sovereign, means you and I, and ray, and Shaun... are kings, and or in your case... a queen.

meaning there is no higher authority above us.

we are the top dog, and we essentially make all laws and rules, and set all limits.

and our only limits is in dealig with other sovereigns.

well, im sorry maidmarion....

But, a king, DOES NOT CARE ONLY ABOUT HIMSELF.

A KING CARES ABOUT THE PEOPLE.

My people are all the people of earth.

Who are your people?

And who as a queen do you care about?

And as a queen, are you just going to sit there?? and worry only about you??

-MT

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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sovereignsov·er·eign (svr-n, svrn)
n.

1. One that exercises supreme, permanent authority, especially in a nation or other governmental unit, as:
a. A king, queen, or other noble person who serves as chief of state; a ruler or monarch.
b. A national governing council or committee.
2. A nation that governs territory outside its borders.
3. A gold coin formerly used in Great Britain.
adj.
1. Self-governing; independent: a sovereign state.
2. Having supreme rank or power: a sovereign prince.
3. Paramount; supreme: Her sovereign virtue is compassion.
4.
a. Of superlative strength or efficacy: a sovereign remedy.
b. Unmitigated: sovereign contempt.

I hope it is not beyond your intellectual capabilities to understand that words can have several different meanings other that what you posted.

Most of us here on this site use the term meaning self-govering; independent, even having supreme rank or power (understood over ourselves and our lives).

A sovereign person has the capacity of being compassionate and of use to there fellow human beings. In fact they are in a position of being truly useful because they are not slaves.

As far as being a disinformation agent, you have been exposed as one by the site administrator and others on this site. I respect their judgement.

Without knowing me or what I do or do not do, you assume that I just sit here doing nothing. How judgemental can you get? Sorry Mosheh, but I am not interested in discussing my actions, or lack of them if that be the case, with you!

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then as a sovereign... you deny that you are a queen.??????

you deny that you should have to act like one?

how strange.

-MT

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self governing and independent MtZ.....................Don't you read with any comprehension or have they brainwashed you that badly Laughing

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Why don't you be a good boy and go work on your church site ......... you've been exposed here.................by trusted people, so what's your point staying and being a pest?

I for one am done with you..............bye, bye MtZ Laughing

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MaidMarion wrote:

self governing and independent MtZ.....................Don't you read with any comprehension or have they brainwashed you that badly Laughing

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Why don't you be a good boy and go work on your church site ......... you've been exposed here.................by trusted people, so what's your point staying and being a pest?

I for one am done with you..............bye, bye MtZ Laughing

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exposed????

And yet, no one backs it up...

im a real person.

I care about sovereign freedom.

I presummed you would as well.

I pressummed you would care about others, and their freedom.

-MT

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http://russellmeans.com/

The L.A. Times has described him as the most famous American Indian since Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse. Russell Means is a natural leader. His fearless dedication and indestructible sense of pride are qualities admired by nations worldwide. His vision is for indigenous people to be free... Free to be human, free to travel, free to stop, free to trade where they choose, free to choose their own teachers ~ free to follow the religion of their fathers, free to talk, think and act for themselves and then they will obey every law or submit to the penalty. The most difficult lesson of all is to respect your relatives' visions.

Mitaku Oyasin...
(We are all related)

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Hi Mosheh!

MM could you humor me a bit please? (puppy eyes)
I'm sorry for interrupting...

I have read much from mr mosheh on the
church site. I joined not too long ago.

He seems to be in things for the long haul, so i must vouch for him based upon his earlier works on that site.

http://www.theresistancemanifesto.com

they actually seem to have a clue, so I am watching to see if perhaps there is any common ground to be found between that site and this.

I am most afraid that we will be so occupied in finding the disinfo agents that we alienate each other in our common goal. which is to throw off the tyrannic shackles placed upon us by the renegade government. I think part of the desired disinfo effect was to make us fight each other while trying to find them. In effect, use a small infection to cause an allergic reaction, and thus cripple the body while it fights itself.

How did NeoRayden get banned? I just saw that, a few seconds ago. Sad

sorry for the interrupt, MM
(pls don't hit me!)

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I feel you should direct your questions to the site administrator Shaun. He is the one in charge of banning or not banning people and can answer all your questions about NeoRayden and MtZ.

I have no idea why you directed your comments to me, read Shaun and Ray's posts to MtZ. Why don't you direct your questions to them? They are far more capable than I am about uncovering disinformation agents. Just because I agree with their observations, does not mean that I have any power whatsoever to ban anyone on this site.

You are not interupting, you are free to post as much as you want to but what is with your last remark?...............If you read my posts you know I do not advocate violence.

The only thing I can suggest to you as an example of infiltration and smoke and mirrors is the Federal Reserve. It is neither Federal or a Reverve. That is what infiltrators do they give themselves the cover of being with you and for your good, when in fact they are not. They usually slip up by what they say or do. People far better at detecting this than either of us can much more easily determine what they are really up to. I know I can trust the site administrator on this...........remember he has been through the fire ..............you and I have not. He gives them a lot of rope to hang themselves with.

In future please direct your questions to the site administrator. Whether he chooses to answer you or not is his decision, not mine.

Sorry I can't help you!

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Shaun's reply to MtZ on sovereignty, quoted below, says it all. This is what it means to be sovereign, sheeple do not seem to be able to comphrend this definition and their sovereignty any more.

"Shaun
Site Admin

Joined: Apr 03, 2007
Posts: 561

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 10:43 am

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I AM sovereign. I challenge you to show me YOU are. So far, you have not shown me you have the understanding of what it means to be sovereign.

You continue to suggest that these "states of emergencies" developed by corporation (fictional groups of spineless men) -- indeed these FICTIONAL ENTITIES -- somehow affect you or I. I disagree.

Mickey Mouse (another fiction) can be made to state anything, including an emergency, and it still does not affect me.

I'm quite aware of how contracts work. The fact that criminals use documents and papers purporting to be contracts also does not affect my sovereignty.

So keep talking about states of emergency, and everything else. Talk about the Patriot Act, or any other ACT -- THEY ARE ALL ACTS -- ACTS LIKE IN THEATER. They don't matter to a sovereign.

A sovereign should also recognize that he or she does not need another soul or warm body on this planet. He or she simply is. He or she is sovereign whether not one stands beside or whether a billion stand beside. A sovereign simply is. One is sovereign the moment one comes to understand this concept and chooses to be.

If you are here for the right reason, you should be trying to get others to understand this. But you must understand it first yourself. This UNIVERSAL TRUTH can be understood by all, and even a single man or woman who understands it can change the world. Ed and Elaine understand it -- they HAVE changed the world -- and my guess is they will change the world even more for the better.

Stop blathering about states of emergency, because they are fictional, and don't apply to sovereign men and women. Hell, let's remove all silly "labels" and just talk about things how they are. I'm a man, and a state of emergency doesn't affect me. So get out of fantasy land.

I would also like you to answer my question. Why do you hide behind a veil of anonymity on here? What's your real name? I put my name to my words. Will you put your name to yours? Or will you reveal yourself as yet another disinformation/misinformation/distraction agent on our site, ever-working to stear peopel AWAY from this truth?

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Very well written and explained. I could not have stated or explained it as well. MM