Elements of Freedom: Fuel - I've been concerned lately about other elements of freedom that we all may be feeling. I don't see any real relief from our oil dependency and the oil companies raping our wallets. So, to that end, I've started to study the making of "bio dieselquo

Newbie Joined: Apr 29, 2007 Posts: 46

I've been concerned lately about other elements of freedom that we all may be feeling. I don't see any real relief from our oil dependency and the oil companies raping our wallets.
So, to that end, I've started to study the making of "bio diesel". The process looks easy, and working the math, with a relatively cheap supply of oil, if you can get it for under $2.00 a gallon, you can stick it to both the oil companies and the government.
With home-brew bio-diesel, you don't pay state or federal fuel taxes.
Is anyone here making their own bio-d?
Anyone have experience setting up a small co-op with friends and relatives for bio-d?
Are there other fuels that you can make, without modify a standard gas or diesel engine?
By the way, you can use methanol (very dangerous), or a very very dry ethanol? Anyone ever create a very very dry ethanol? Or know a site that gives the methods?

Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 11:02 pm

Purple_Shroud_of_Karma wrote

Raymond Karczewski (arkent3@earthlink.net) wrote

Joined: Apr 29, 2007

Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 4:31 pm

psk: > I've been concerned lately about other elements of freedom that we all may be feeling. I don't see any real relief from our oil dependency and the oil companies raping our wallets.

psk: > So, to that end, I've started to study the making of "bio diesel". The process looks easy, and working the math, with a relatively cheap supply of oil, if you can get it for under $2.00 a gallon, you can stick it to both the oil companies and the government. With home-brew bio-diesel, you don't pay state or federal fuel taxes.

psk: > Is anyone here making their own bio-d? Anyone have experience setting up a small co-op with friends and relatives for bio-d?

psk: > Are there other fuels that you can make, without modify a standard gas or diesel engine? By the way, you can use methanol (very dangerous), or a very very dry ethanol? Anyone ever create a very very dry ethanol? Or know a site that gives the methods?

rk: If anybody buy this stuff from this government/media disinformation provocateur, they deserve to get swept up in the ensuing government sting operation sure to follow.

rk: Look deeply at psk's words. The cowardly anonymous man's a JUDAS GOAT. Notice that He has no standing in what he says. He emerses himself in slick manipulative language to avoid detection. He has not even embarked on any action aimed toward the end he speak about. He has no investment in what he says. So what is he actually doing here. He is merely harvesting names, Id's and addresses of those who may be involved in such a program. and turn em over to the enforcement end. In doing so he is accomplishing his aims as a government/media disinformation agent/snitch for the governmetn he works for.
rk: You folks are not paying attention. The man's a real snake. Has he actuallly ever said anything of substance when he is called upon. Has he ever acted on anything he has said in this forum with his personal involvement?. Check the articles he has written. See for yourself!!]

Raymond Ronald Karczewski©

Newbie Joined: Apr 29, 2007 Posts: 46

What I've found out about bio-diesel:

(Oh, and just wondering what the Hell Ray is refering to, so I can only assume that he's manufactured another threat and thinks someone is trying to entrap another. Well, Ray, none of the activities involved in bio-d home-brew is illegal. So, there is nothing to entrap.)

1. Home-brew bio-diesel is legal, but confirm local laws and ordinances.

2. The Federal government allows the production of bio-diesel, and other alternative fuels, such as ethanol, up to 1200 gallons a year free from Federal fuel taxes. States follow suit, for the most part (check local laws and ordinances)

3. The constituent parts are vegetable oil, lye (pot ash/soda ash), and methanol or ethanol.

4. Methanol is easy enough to obtain but dangerous to handle so a "no touch" system of transfer to the mix is recommended.

5. Ethanol can be used, but, it has to be of the high proof low water type. Typical stills will go between 60 and 120 proof. Fuel grade needs to be close to 180 proof.

6. A licenses to distill ethanol as fuel is available (but, there is a separate discussion to be had, "why do you need a license to produce a perfectly legal substance for personal consumption, whether imbibing or tanking?")

7. Apparently, many jurisdictions in Oregon, Washington, and California would like to be notified of production so they can assure nosey neighbors that you are NOT cooking meth.

8. The by-product of bio-d production is: Glycerin. However, it has some methanol mixed in so it needs to be washed and dried, or it would be better to use ethanol that will evaporate readily enough. Glycerin is good for lots of stuff, but the by product is kind of brown and gloopy.

9. Minus the cost of vegetable oil, the cost of material, methanol and lye is about 70 cents a gallon.

10. The yeild is 80% bio-diesel the rest is the glycerin.

The reason I ask here is:

It seems to me that going off the grid would include cooking your own fuel. And, while I've read a lot about the stuff, I have yet to meet anyone who is using it on a daily basis.

So, since, in most places, this is a perfectly legal activity, why would anyone think I was trying to entrap? Unless they are so prejudiced and blinded by hate that they automatically see conspiracy?

(The reason I am posting in response to Ray is that this is a serious topic, deals with freedom, is a good discussion piece, and I'm afraid that he would distract from that with mis/disinformation. That is my last response to him on this or other topics, unless he actually wants to ask or talk about bio-d. I'd think he'd be one to embrace bio-d.)

So, anyone doing this? or researched it as a possible solution?

Newbie Joined: Apr 29, 2007 Posts: 46

URL's I've been using:

(Mouse over them, they are links.)

Path to Freedom

Commercial Biodiesel Reactor Kits

Neat reactor using a waterheater

Newbie Joined: Apr 29, 2007 Posts: 46

Oh, this is from the "revenooors":

Permit for distilling

Site Admin Joined: Apr 03, 2007 Posts: 580

I know someone involved in ethanol, but I don't know much about that or biodiesel myself. Since the technology for clean and renewable fuel hasn't been made available to the public, we've got to do everything we can to limit our dependency upon the corporate interests.

I'll post those questions for ya in the other thread, purple.

Newbie Joined: May 08, 2007 Posts: 7 Location: Parsons, WV

Ethanol and biodiesel is not the way to go. Ethanol is raising the price of food and the Lye will soon be taken off the market for biodiesel. Hydrogen fuel cells are a joke but there is Hydrogen by electrolysis. This is made on demand so there are no dangers. However, the cost is high due to the stainless steel you must use. If you split the oxygen from the hydrogen, you can use it to replace natural gas.
Another system is called the geet. The geet can use any thing from sea water, crude, pickle juce and run the engine or generator.
Another system that was used in WWII was wood gasification. Finland is big on this and several are doing this in the US now.
Except for the wood gasification, they are trying very hard to suppress this technology. Plasma, Vortex and Telsa. Go back and look up information on these and if the information is still there, you can learn a lot. Weather modification, earthquakes, are all controlled now using technologies that was thought to be unheard of.

**Member** Joined: Apr 25, 2007 Posts: 1235

Hi Ken, Regarding the stainless steel used in the modified electrolysis process, Stanley Meyer (poisoned to death; water engine inventer, see youtube) said the best stainless steel is stainless steel 308, one of the most common steels, because of its resistance to corrosion. There are patents on water engines; that means they exist, work, and you can make them yourself and help your friends/neighbors just as long as your not selling the idea.. -Aa

Newbie Joined: May 08, 2007 Posts: 7 Location: Parsons, WV

HI aa,
Yes I know they work. I have been on some forums where some of them got a MIB (Men in Black) to come to their place and shut them down. About the cheapest way to go now is the geet. Does the same thing.

Ken

Newbie Joined: Apr 29, 2007 Posts: 46

You know, I've heard about the lye thing in the past, but you know what, it can't have a ring of truth to it. Sounds like FUD to me. Fear, uncertainty, doubt.
I looked into GEET a few years ago. Seems like more "magic carburator" than actual solution. I'm more interested in stuff that actually exists and can be done at home.

Newbie Joined: Apr 29, 2007 Posts: 46

My neighbor's son-in-law was here earlier today. He was driving his Mercedes. Its an older model. He's running it on straight vegetable oil (VSO). He's thinking he will have less trouble if he switches to using bio-diesel.

Newbie Joined: May 08, 2007 Posts: 7 Location: Parsons, WV

If you want to know about oil, gasoline, corruption, government and why you are not allowed to build hydrogen or water cars, you need to watch these 8 - 10 minute videos from Lindsey Williams.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbakN7SLdbk

He was a minister while they were working on the Alaska pipeline and got a first hand look and knowledge of what really goes on. He names the names of the people involved and the people between the oil field and the gasoline companies are the world bank and the IMF. If you watch all 8 parts, you will know why the war started in Iraq and why it has to be carried to Iran. This will make you sick of our government.

Ken

Site Admin Joined: Apr 03, 2007 Posts: 580

Nice link, ken! Thanks for sharing.

I'm halfway through the videos now -- amazing stuff for sure!

Recruit Joined: Apr 15, 2007 Posts: 193

woulndt you know it how deceitful hold it back drive up prices and get richer than ever .