The Dividing line: Where is the limit? - Well "takeastand" I'm sure that the Freemasons are a huge part of the problem. However I do also believe that it goes beyond the scope of their organization as well. I believe that the corporate elite are a big part of the problem as well.

Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:18 pm

As a person who believes in and greatly respects Almighty GOD I have personaly wrestled with and seriously pondered on where the "dividing line" is. The Dividing Line I am referring to is when you finally realize that your government has gone so bad that they have transcended and transgressed every semblance of decency and morality and justice.

I am well aware that there are several scriptural references that command GOD fearing, Christain people to obey the civil powers and that the man in charge does not bear the sword in vain. However I also believe in rightly dividing the truth. I also believe that legitimate government has laws that respect the citizenry and it's primary function is the protect human life.

There does come a time however when the government gets so bad that they are no longer legitimized or regarded as a GODly, moral, governing body. With our country leaning towards every form of unspeakable depravity imaginable and they also have gotten to the point to where they regard law abiding, decent people as subjects instead of citizens I believe we now must obey GOD's law. Because this system we are under is beyond repair as I see it.

There was a point when Nazi Germany and Stalin's Russia crossed that line and ceased being a legitimate government. I submit that the USA is now a Police State tyranny and has no semblance of a morally just, lawful society. Human rights in this country have been eviscerated for all intent and purposes. It is to the point to where most cops and law enforcement only enforce laws that will generate money for the state and that most other laws are selectively enforced.

I know that some of you might disagree with me and still maintain that the USA is still a good government. But with things like Police Brutality running rampant, child pornagraphy being winked at and citizens being murdered by the government ( Deborah Jean Palfrey) I think personally that the line has long ago been crossed and we no longer owe this government any allegiance. But rather regard the government a force of tyranny ( which they now are). We need to make attempts at restoring the government for sure. However with the elections and court systems being totally rigged you have to wonder where would you even begin?

There is no longer any legitimate court systems, valid elections or any valid rights of citizens to redress the government. Coupled with the fact that virtually all laws are now geared to generate funds and bolster profits of corporations ( like private prisons) who I say are the ones now running the government.

Has this line been crossed? If you disagree with me tell me why? Is there hope?

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It gets into a difficult situation, I imagine, if crossing a line relates to the 'government' because one cannot hold the 'government' accountable. However, there are concrete, exact times when individual people have clearly crossed the line time and time again, or just once. It is clear and lawful to arrest ( to stop ) these people in their tracks and begin 'restorative justice', vs. punitive justice (which obviously doesn't work, just take a look at our system now and how much it costs us every second, paying for these mostly able folks that aren't even growing vital, totally organic food for us! Somethings fishy here, ya know?).

Hey JD, remember I'm not directing this response to you, but all readers.

Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:48 am

This is truly a serious and dangerous situtation we are in. This has been an issue that I have personally wrestled with for some time. I don't even like the thought of thinking that the system is "too far gone" to where you can't work within it's parameters. But with the kangaroo trial that they hit the Browns with along with the complete eradication of virtually all of our civil and Constitutional Rights it does give one the feeling of complete hopelessness. So with our court systems and elections being totally rigged where would we go from here?

I know that the ultimate answer is to get the general public ( or at least a good percentage of them) to wake up. But with the mainstream media being totally controlled and with the economy eroding rapidly as I speak that just doesn't seem to be a viable or workable solution for now.

This government is no longer a legitimate, Constitutional Republic as it once was. The voting and the elections are as rigged as a professional wrestling match. They even rigg who can be a candidate or who can't. There are no agencies in place to either audit or police our elections. With the newer touchscreens there is no way possible you can get an accurate account of who a person voted for. But when you call someone's attention to it they just seem to smile at you and blow it off.

There are also no governmental agencies in place to oversee the Police or Federal Agents. That is a major root of our problem. Because to let these thugs police themselves is truly a sick joke. I am open for discussion on this matter because frankly the thought of a civil war or armed insurrection to me is not a good option. And I hope to GOD it doesn't end up being our only option.

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Like Ray says, 'Boycott, Boycott, Boycott'. That's what the WeThePeopleFoundation seem to be implementing by calling for a redress of grievances knowing that if the govt. servants don't answer, then the people can rightly keep their monies until they do answer to the people and are held accountable. A question to readers: What actions are you taking now that end up super-empowering yourselves, which don't support the plans of the international bankers? I have some of my answers at the post about 'ways to boycott'. And like you said JD, awareness is key. I'm looking forward to Zeitgeist Part IV to see if it offers more simple ways to empower ourselves.

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I am done talking. Been doing something about it since Ron Paul made the call out. I am exposing the "evil" that has encroached on us so secretively.

New image. May need to resize in order to print it on 8.5 x 11 paper. Makes for a nice bumper sticker.

Ed, thanks for telling us who. There are works about the 9/11 investigation, Impeachment, IRS-Fed Res but I believe ours is against FM's.

If you all wont agree, thats fine- I could go somewhere else. But I believe Ed laid out the frame work for us.

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Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 7:23 am

Well "takeastand" I'm sure that the Freemasons are a huge part of the problem. However I do also believe that it goes beyond the scope of their organization as well. I believe that the corporate elite are a big part of the problem as well. Not to mention the Military Industrial Complex who has become a huge component in this tyrannical regime.

But I'm all ears and I will listen to what you've got to say because you've always been a great contributor to the MTS Forum.

I believe we've got to "follow the Money Trail" ( or trails) and find out where it leads. I believe we've also got to find out who all of the foreign powerbrokers are who have truly been instrumental in helping to hijack the country as well i.e. Rupert Murdock, Henry Kissinger, ect.

We can implement change if we can get the root of the problem(s). But this nation not only needs a "root canal" because we also have a huge cancerous tumor to remove as well.