THIS is MOSHEH'S last posting on this site.!!!! - To the membership body of the MakeTheStand.com forum, This letter is to express, who I am, Why I came to this website, and why I will now leave, in essence, self banning myself. (Since, my variable ip, makes it possible for me to come back to any we

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To the membership body of the MakeTheStand.com forum,

This letter is to express, who I am, Why I came to this website, and why I will now leave, in essence, self banning myself. (Since, my variable ip, makes it possible for me to come back to any website, at anytime, under any name... after having been banned..!)

1) Mosheh, is not my name of birth, Nor is Thezion my last name. This is difficult to explain in a just a few short words, so put simply, "Mosheh" is the person I strive to be, as he, is not limited by the flaws and problems of myself as Luis, or as Fabio, and as I teach or would teach in my religious order, self improvement happens over time, by habitually developing the traits and habits of "a better you". Mosheh is that better me.
And while I still fall short of being Mosheh, I recognise it is a life long effort.

2) Several years ago, while working in Hollywood CA, I saw a crippled wheel chair bound woman, painfully climb out of her wheel chair, in the middle of a side street on Sunset Blvd, next to a Catholic church, and she screamed... "I dont care.. rraagh"... and then she bent down, and proceeded to drink from the gutter...
In that instant all the quotable words of Jesus came flooding back to me, and I was overwhelmed by the clear commands of the lord, in the Bible.. TO DO SOMETHING about it, immediately recognising that this problem was massive and systemic to our entire society, and while I had no idea what I would do, I began to work on the problem.
Within a few short days, I had established a new religious order, based around a Unifying Field Theory, I had developed several years earlier,

http://empiricalchurch.org/theory/

and then combined this with a foundation fundamentally based on the quotable words of Jesus, and the direct commands of charity and love found in both the old and new Testiments,... bascially, that we are all Gods children, and therefore family, and that we should act that way, literally on a large scale.

http://empiricalchurch.org/

And as many of you may know... In these efforts, I have '''not''' had much success, yet, as my plans are long term, and large scale, I have great faith that in time, it will be manifested as a reality and will serve to greatly benefit our world, in many ways.
(but that is a long discussion... not suited for this time or place.)

3) Soon after developing the church, I came to recognise its clear limitations, and could see that the world had much more massive problems, and so I began to work on those problems, having no idea as to what I could do about it, yet in faith I began to try.
Luckily for myself, I had stumbled apon the SOVEREIGNTY movement, and I read a book by 'Mary Elizabeth Croft' called... ''''''''HOW I clobbered every bureacratic cash-confiscatory agency known to man.'''''''''' http://www.hackcanada.com/canadian/freedom/mary_croft.pdf
A great book, and it drove home one very important point, Sovereignty, means we are ourselves, KINGS and QUEENS, and that we should ACT THAT WAY.!!!!!

And following this, I came across another great book, by 'George Mercier'... called...
'''''''Invisible contracts''''''... availble at..... http://www.constitution.org/mercier/incon.htm

both of which I recommend reading.... (SERIOUSLY!!!!!)

ANYWAY... These concepts, had a profound effect on my mind... put simply..
If I am sovereign, then I am a King, and there is no King or sovereign above me, and that as such, I should act like one..... And at first it was difficult to imagine doing so...

After a short time, based on my personal sovereignty, and my mental efforts to find solution to the massive problems of our Earth, I began to realise that all I would need to do is to begin exerising and implementing the actions which, if I am a King, I should be able to do.... namely... create my own currency, and use it to transform the world.
And amazingly... in a very short time.. I developed the following...

http://ecclesiaorworldfed.blogspot.com/

Where-in, sovereignty makes it possible for myself to actually accomplish the goals of ending all world poverty, IF, I could simply get the many world leaders to accept it, and allow me to use it to solve their many nations very real economic problems.
And since that time, I have set about contacting every nation across the Earth, via their embassies and UN offices. To date, I have sent out atleast 500 faxes, although I stopped counting a long time ago... And in this effort, I was amazed to find no rejections, or responces which said "no"
Therefore, I began an open public internet effort, in search of intelegent people, who could consider the concept and provide honest feedback, good or bad, because in order to give it up, I need to find the flaws, which would allow for me to GIVE IT UP...
AS OF YET.... no one has been able to find those flaws.
The plan can work... in fact the only major flaw in the plan.... is "ME"...

AND SO.... I continue with it... until I can find some help.... any help....

4) Before I came to this website, I had been long associated with another anti-NWO site..

http://www.theresistancemanifesto.com/

A resistance site, to that NWO.... and while I may not believe in the same level of world wide evil satanic conspiracies... I must admit... IT IS ALL VERY POSSIBLE..!

And as the discusson and subject matter discussed there is so interesting, I simply cannot stay away.... and then one day... a member... mentioned RAY... and provided a link to this MAKE THE STAND... website... and I soon found interest here.

but... as you may all know.... my time here.... has not been very welcomed...

5) My interest stemmed... from ... The leadership potential of Ray.. and the fact that I had heard of Liberty Dollars, and I had hoped to begin using them... only to learn that the illegal federal government in place... had shut them down, and locked them up...
All very sad... and while again... I had no idea what I could do about it.. I began to study and consider how I could help,... if at all... and if not, I hoped to increase my understanding of the sovereignty movement in general...
Only to realise that this forum... does not promote sovereignty as much as it promotes an end to the income tax... (except for Ray... "Ray"... you rock... dont ever change!)

and... this website... is RULED over by one specifc person... MAIDMARION...

and she... has harrassed me... since day one... (which i find incredibly attractive!!!)

and she appears completely convinced that I work for the government... which could not be less true...

Although, I have offered my services to both the Clinton and Bush adminstrations, they ignore me... although the Clintons did respond with an application to recieve grant money, from the D.O.E, based on my Unifying Field Theory...
And surely.... the Bush adminstration is very displeased with me, due to my association with many groups... which are themselves... anti-government....
So it is not surprising that they ignore me... and its... what I deserve, I suppose.

6) At some early point... after having clashed with MAIDMARION, for daring to question her... and worse... daring to argue with her.... I was soon banned..

And normally.. that would of been the end... except... I CAN'T BE BANNED.. HAHA.
i HAVE A variable ip... something my provider cannot explain... but it allows me to have a new ip.. everytime I log online.... AND SO... I came back...

why?? do you ask??
because of Ray.... since i had found that while I could argue with him, about his willingness to lead.... as a Christ... AND i could critisze him... as a person..
I had to admit... I COULD NOT, AND STILL CANNOT argue with what he says.

His words are truth.... and luckily I did come back... because I soon learned that he had written several books, which I plan on collecting.

However.... as you all know... this website... is ruled by MAIDMARION...

AND SHE... seems to hate me.... (even though I find her very stimulating...)
SHE THINKS.......
Im a goverment agent.
IM a nazi....
Im a jew...
Im an idiot..
Im a twerp..
and that she honestly beleives im here to distract people.

I am not...

But I cannot convince her of anything... and almost everyday... she demands that I leave and go away...

and since... in reality... she is the only real active member... and since she hates me...
and since she wants me to leave....
and since it is not possible to argue with her... since she wont allow it...

then... in truth... there is no point in staying at this website.

She rules with a iron fist... and she wants me to leave.

so... i will now leave.

I dont have to.... but... its no longer any fun.. and I dont think I can learn anymore from her.... Since she cannot or will not answer questions... and always gets mad.

She is right about one thing... its not proper behavior for myself, as Mosheh, to keep this up.... and I should leave.... So... i will.

7) As my final statement... I will simply state the following and leave it at that...

A) Everyone here, is familiar with the illegal fed,.our crumbling social security, the illegal income tax, the loss of the common law, and the states of emergency which uphold it all.
so... i wont make any speach about them....
but...

B) A gold or Silver standard.....As the Ron Paul revolution advocates, would at first seem to be a grand solution, especially for Ed and Elaine... yet... In the long term, it does not solve the underlying problems of massive debt, and does nothing to curve the power of the world wide elite, and the likelyhood, that just like in the roaring twenties, there would be NOTHING TO STOP them from doing the same thing they did to cause the crash of the 20's.... meaning, that if the people began to use real money again, the big players, could easily over time, invest into those markets, and just like before, once they own a major percentage, they could call in all their debted notes, and markers, and demand payment of all that gold and silver, and cause another massive bankruptcy, all for the purposes, of returning them to full economic power once again... therefore in the end, the same disaster of the great depression can happen all over again... and NO ONE WANTS THAT..... while... also... no one wants a continuation of the same old debted fiat currency system, and the debt and excessive taxation which comes with it!!!

SOLUTION must be found..... we must find a way... of paying off that debt, and... most IMPORTANTLY.... freeing the people, of the responsibility of paying that debt.... and we must find a way, of doing it... without the potential for bankruptcy again....

Everyone wants... a real solution... one which ends excessive taxation, and would ALLOW the Federal government to RETURN to a constitutional NON-BANKRUPT state of operation, where our freedom is restored, and ... most importantly... where the world wide elite of the world, are made VERY HAPPY, so that all the existing plans, of NWO, with all its evil potential, will simply not be NESSASARY anymore.....

We need a NEW DEAL... not just for the USA... but for the entire world... since this has become a global problem.... not just an American problem...
And if I may be so bold... and I am.... I believe I can provide that solution... seriously!.

C) My solution....which no ONE argues with,.... is very simple...... put simply... what I propose is to use BOTH... both the existing fiat currency system... and begin using a new extremely large denomination REAL commodity (gold /silver / energy ) based currency, which can be used by governments, the World Bank, IMF, and major corporations and Billionaires, as a means, of PAYING off all that world wide debt, AND DOING SO, by eventually putting all that obtainable gold and silver and commodities into their hands.
http://ecclesiaorworldfed.blogspot.com/
In other words... by establishing a basic form of a world government, that government could then use this new currency, to invest towards world wide massive socialist work efforts, which would literally end un-employment... world wide... by establishing massive work efforts with the goals of always working towards gaining those very real commodities, which then, in a socialist manner, are used to pay off the debt, by allowing those holders of those notes, to cash them in... for real gold... or silver... etc..
In this way, any nation, such as the USA, with its massive debt, could very easily... transfer that debt, or pay it off... WITH THE NEW COMMODITY currency, thus ending the NEED FOR AN INCOME TAX..... and would allow the long term socialist work efforts in mining and energy production, to be the means of paying it off..
put another way.....
What is better.? for the people of a nation... to be made debter slaves.. to pay the debt.?
or...
would it be better.. for the government to begin socialist mining and energy production, for the purposes of paying that debt instead.... ?? (instead of the people paying it.!!!!)

I think we all agree... That since it is the governments debt, then there should be no problem in allowing the government to get involved with some basic socialist efforts, for the purpose of freeing its people of that MASSIVE DEBT BURDEN....
THIS.... would make everyone happy... especially, if we allowed the existing mining and energy coporations to still be allowed to INVEST into and gain some of the massive long term profits to be had from the massive expansion of those efforts over time.

Do you get it??
We have to pay that debt..... and until we do... we are enslaved by it.

The day the world accepts my proposal... is the day that debt can be paid off..
PAID OFF with a real commodity based currency which wont loose value... and the only catch... is that THEY can never call in that debt... and they can never demand payment of it.... INSTEAD... they can wait... while we employ the world.. for the purposes of getting that real commodity wealth... for the purpoes of paying them off.
and the notes.... never loose value... and could be traded as if they still represent those stored commodites.... because they do.... the only difference, is the time period for pay off.... Yet, as long as the work efforts are being fullfilled, then payment is assured.

That assurance... or what is literally.... faith.... would allow us to end all world wide debt... and free all humankind... of its debt slavery.

HENCE... I hope you all can understand what I mean by FAITH notes... which would literally be a "faith" based currency.. which can pay off ALL debt, and carries no interest.

If serious long term freedom from debt.... debt slavery... means something to any of you... then for the sake of your freedom.... Think about it

And so... I come to the end of this letter.....

And for these views... I have been ridiculed and pushed out... and I will now leave.

If you respond to me, here in this thread......DONT EXPECT A RESPONCE.... as I believe in keeping my promises, and since I said I would leave, I must do exactly that, MEANING... while I may watch for a responce... I will not allow myself to post again on your fine website... I made a promise to MAIDMARION.

Goodbye to you all, and good luck.... your going to need it. (unless you help me.!)

-Mosheh Thezion (aka: Mosheh Fabio Luis Edwardo Correa Rodriguez Hiraldo.)
Avatar general of the Empirical Church. http://empiricalchurch.org/ http://ecclesiaorworldfed.blogspot.com/ radicalman@surfside.net

(anyone... should feel free at anytime... to email me... even MAIDMARION.)

-MT

**Member** Joined: Jun 12, 2007 Posts: 2936

Mosheh wrote: "and... this website... is RULED over by one specifc person... MAIDMARION...

and she... has harrassed me... since day one... (which i find incredibly attractive!!!)

and she appears completely convinced that I work for the government... which could not be less true...

and:

6) At some early point... after having clashed with MAIDMARION, for daring to question her... and worse... daring to argue with her.... I was soon banned..

THE ABOVE STATEMENT IS AN OUT AND OUT LIE AS YOU CAN DEDUCT FROM THE POSTS BELOW.

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MM: All one has to do is go to Membership list page 22 and read all of the posts that Mosheh_theZion posted. He constantly attacked Ray.................as you can read and was outed at that time by Ray. You can go through and read Ray's posts. His continued posts about the state of emergency issue was also glaring. Did he want to create violence with stiring people up over that issue ..........one can only guess.

We can only take the country back one step at a time.............and that has to be to get constitutionalists elected to all local offices and spred upward from that point. To attack the state of emergency issue righ now would be, for me, just walking into Martial Law, like the NWO wants!

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MM: Then he went after Shaun and you can read Shaun's post of this post warning him:

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:13 am

Shaun: You are oblivious, Mosheh_Thezion.

Mosheh continued his disinformation/misinformation/distraction and questioned Shaun's sovereignity. Shaun posted this response and as you ALL CAN SEE IT WAS SEAN WHO CALLED HIM OUT IN THIS POST!

Shaun
Site Admin

Joined: Apr 03, 2007
Posts: 566

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 10:43 am

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I AM sovereign. I challenge you to show me YOU are. So far, you have not shown me you have the understanding of what it means to be sovereign.

You continue to suggest that these "states of emergencies" developed by corporation (fictional groups of spineless men) -- indeed these FICTIONAL ENTITIES -- somehow affect you or I. I disagree.

Mickey Mouse (another fiction) can be made to state anything, including an emergency, and it still does not affect me.

I'm quite aware of how contracts work. The fact that criminals use documents and papers purporting to be contracts also does not affect my sovereignty.

So keep talking about states of emergency, and everything else. Talk about the Patriot Act, or any other ACT -- THEY ARE ALL ACTS -- ACTS LIKE IN THEATER. They don't matter to a sovereign.

A sovereign should also recognize that he or she does not need another soul or warm body on this planet. He or she simply is. He or she is sovereign whether not one stands beside or whether a billion stand beside. A sovereign simply is. One is sovereign the moment one comes to understand this concept and chooses to be.

If you are here for the right reason, you should be trying to get others to understand this. But you must understand it first yourself. This UNIVERSAL TRUTH can be understood by all, and even a single man or woman who understands it can change the world. Ed and Elaine understand it -- they HAVE changed the world -- and my guess is they will change the world even more for the better.

Stop blathering about states of emergency, because they are fictional, and don't apply to sovereign men and women. Hell, let's remove all silly "labels" and just talk about things how they are. I'm a man, and a state of emergency doesn't affect me. So get out of fantasy land.

I would also like you to answer my question. Why do you hide behind a veil of anonymity on here? What's your real name? I put my name to my words. Will you put your name to yours? Or will you reveal yourself as yet another disinformation/misinformation/distraction agent on our site, ever-working to steer people AWAY from this truth?

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By this time, since I was feeling that Mosheh_theZion was someone who had been here before and also been banned as a troll.................I was posting supporting Ray and Shaun's opinion. By coincidence I happened on page 22 where Mosheh_theZion had registered and noticed the VERY NEXT REGISTERANT WAS SOMEONE WITH THE NAME MaldMarion..........
which you can find on page 22 of the Membership List.

1086 Mosheh_Thezion Dec 19, 2007 88
1087 MaldMarion Dec 21, 2007 1

I was lucky enough to find it before any posts had been made ...........trying to impersonate me, and posted on site after Moseheh_theZion had been banned and come back as Mosheh.

MaidMarion
Member

Joined: Jun 12, 2007
Posts: 1826

Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:39 pm

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On Dec.19, 2007 Mosheh_TheZion joined this site. Then you will see he was BANNED BY ADMINISTRATION. He always signed off with MT

Now on March 30 MOSHEH just joined and he too is pushing the state of emergency crap as MoshehtheZion was doing. This MOSHEH also signs off MT. A coincidence ...................I do not think so.

He was banned once for just cause and I need you all to be careful about what you post with this guy around here. He also joined as NomenNesco who was also banned.

Remember that the Freedom Four trial is right now in process and the government have nothing but trumped up charges against them. All of them had left Ed and Elaine's house and had been gone for months.

MOSHEH just what do you want by coming to this forum after you have been banned already?
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Then I copied and pasted this post about how to identify disinformation agents and GUESS WHAT........................MaldMarion responded taking the opposite stance.

MaidMarion
Member

Joined: Jun 12, 2007
Posts: 1826

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:09 am

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I guess this is as good a site as any!

http://www.whale.to/b/sweeney.html

Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist

by H. Michael Sweeney <HMS>
copyright (c) 1997, 2000 All rights reserved

(Revised April 2000 - formerly SEVEN Traits)

1) Avoidance. They never actually discuss issues head-on or provide constructive input, generally avoiding citation of references or credentials. Rather, they merely imply this, that, and the other. Virtually everything about their presentation implies their authority and expert knowledge in the matter without any further justification for credibility.

2) Selectivity. They tend to pick and choose opponents carefully, either applying the hit-and-run approach against mere commentators supportive of opponents, or focusing heavier attacks on key opponents who are known to directly address issues. Should a commentator become argumentative with any success, the focus will shift to include the commentator as well.

3) Coincidental. They tend to surface suddenly and somewhat coincidentally with a new controversial topic with no clear prior record of participation in general discussions in the particular public arena involved. They likewise tend to vanish once the topic is no longer of general concern. They were likely directed or elected to be there for a reason, and vanish with the reason.

4) Teamwork. They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved. Sometimes one of the players will infiltrate the opponent camp to become a source for straw man or other tactics designed to dilute opponent presentation strength.

5) Anti-conspiratorial. They almost always have disdain for 'conspiracy theorists' and, usually, for those who in any way believe JFK was not killed by LHO. Ask yourself why, if they hold such disdain for conspiracy theorists, do they focus on defending a single topic discussed in a NG focusing on conspiracies? One might think they would either be trying to make fools of everyone on every topic, or simply ignore the group they hold in such disdain.Or, one might more rightly conclude they have an ulterior motive for their actions in going out of their way to focus as they do.

6) Artificial Emotions. An odd kind of 'artificial' emotionalism and an unusually thick skin -- an ability to persevere and persist even in the face of overwhelming criticism and nonacceptance. This likely stems from intelligence community training that, no matter how condemning the evidence, deny everything, and never become emotionally involved or reactive. The net result for a dis-info artist is that emotions can seem artificial. Most people, if responding in anger, for instance, will express their animosity throughout their rebuttal. But dis-info types usually have trouble maintaining the 'image' and are hot and cold with respect to pretended emotions and their usually more calm or unemotional communications style. It's just a job, and they often seem unable to 'act their role in character' as well in a communications medium as they might be able in a real face-to-face conversation/confrontation. You might have outright rage and indignation one moment, ho-hum the next, and more anger later -- an emotional yo-yo. With respect to being thick-skinned, no amount of criticism will deter them from doing their job, and they will generally continue their old dis-info patterns without any adjustments to criticisms of how obvious it is that they play that game -- where a more rational individual who truly cares what others think might seek to improve their communications style, substance, and so forth, or simply give up.

7) Inconsistent. There is also a tendency to make mistakes which betray their true self/motives. This may stem from not really knowing their topic, or it may be somewhat 'Freudian', so to speak, in that perhaps they really root for the side of truth deep within.

I have noted that often, they will simply cite contradictory information which neutralizes itself and the author. For instance, one such player claimed to be a Navy pilot, but blamed his poor communicating skills (spelling, grammar, incoherent style) on having only a grade-school education. I'm not aware of too many Navy pilots who don't have a college degree. Another claimed no knowledge of a particular topic/situation but later claimed first-hand knowledge of it.

BONUS TRAIT: Time Constant. Recently discovered, with respect to News Groups, is the response time factor. There are three ways this can be seen to work, especially when the government or other empowered player is involved in a cover up operation:

1) ANY NG posting by a targeted proponent for truth can result in an IMMEDIATE response. The government and other empowered players can afford to pay people to sit there and watch for an opportunity to do some damage. SINCE DISINFO IN A NG ONLY WORKS IF THE READER SEES IT - FAST RESPONSE IS CALLED FOR, or the visitor may be swayed towards truth.

2) When dealing in more direct ways with a disinformationalist, such as email, DELAY IS CALLED FOR - there will usually be a minimum of a 48-72 hour delay. This allows a sit-down team discussion on response strategy for best effect, and even enough time to 'get permission' or instruction from a formal chain of command.

3) In the NG example 1) above, it will often ALSO be seen that bigger guns are drawn and fired after the same 48-72 hours delay - the team approach in play. This is especially true when the targeted truth seeker or their comments are considered more important with respect to potential to reveal truth. Thus, a serious truthsayer will be attacked twice for the same sin.

I close with the first paragraph of the introduction to my unpublished book, Fatal Rebirth:

Truth cannot live on a diet of secrets, withering within entangled lies. Freedom cannot live on a diet of lies, surrendering to the veil of oppression. The human spirit cannot live on a diet of oppression, becoming subservient in the end to the will of evil. God, as truth incarnate, will not long let stand a world devoted to such evil. Therefore, let us have the truth and freedom our spirits require... or let us die seeking these things, for without them, we shall surely and justly perish in an evil world.

MaldMarion
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:40 am

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This is so bogus. So I guess in order to not be one you have to always belong to a forum since it began. Otherwise if you pop up and start to discuss somthing you are all of a sudden bad.

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It was the webmaster who determined the Mosheh_theZion/Mosheh was impersonating me. I have determined that much. However as you can well see Mosheh...............has been here for a long long time ..........distracting etc.....................and I have not banned him. That is because I do not have the power to ban him ........ only Shaun does!

It is sad that he does not realize that we can go to his posts and bring them up. His dishonesty is glaring. He even accuses me of "calling him a Jew.............probably trying to stir up the ADL after me. I mentioned that Mosheh was a yiddish name....................and questioned whether or not he was a Zionist! Big difference! Not all Jewish people are Zionists, but the right wing government in the Israeli Knesset right now are!

Good bye and good luck! Somehow I have the feeling you will be back here posting as someone else! That is your pattern!

**Member** Joined: Jun 12, 2007 Posts: 2936

5) My interest stemmed... from ... The leadership potential of Ray.. and the fact that I had heard of Liberty Dollars, and I had hoped to begin using them... only to learn that the illegal federal government in place... had shut them down, and locked them up...
All very sad... and while again... I had no idea what I could do about it.. I began to study and consider how I could help,... if at all... and if not, I hoped to increase my understanding of the sovereignty movement in general...
Only to realise that this forum... does not promote sovereignty as much as it promotes an end to the income tax... (except for Ray... "Ray"... you rock... dont ever change!)

MM: As far as I am concerned Ray's leadership potential was established well over 10 years ago and does not need Mosheh's promotion.

This is only one of Ray's posts in response to Mosheh distracting posts.

Ray
Initiate

Joined: Apr 18, 2007
Posts: 409
Location: OREGON
Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 1:32 pm

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Re: YOU ARE ALL FIGHTING THE WRONG BATTLES!!!!!!!!!!

Mosheh_Thezion Government/Media Disinfo Agent wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent3@earthlink,net) wrote:

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 3:27 pm

mtz: > AGAIN.......

mtz: > YOU ARE ALL FIGHTING THE WRONG BATTLES!!!!!!!!!!

rk: Baloney. I fight with no one. I expose, mirror, and Boycott. All nonviolent forms of Spiritual disintegration of Satanic Illusion. It is the likes of you who wish to create conflict and violence with your words.

mtz: > YOU are fighting little battles to get free in this way or that..

mtz: > BUT YOU ARE IGNOREING THAT ONE BATTLE THAT MUST BE FOUGHT.

mtz: > THE ONE BATTLE THAT CAN SET US ALL FREE... MAKE US ALL SOVEREIGN.

mtz: > THAT BATTLE TO TO FORCE THE PRESIDENT TO END THE STATE OF MERGENCY WHICH THE FED OPERATES, AND IS THE LEGAL BASIS FOR ALL ITS UN-CONSTITUTIONAL BEHAVIOR.

rk: If Government is a Corporate Fiction and has no JURISDICTION over Living, Breathing, Flesh-and-Blood, Sentient, Natural Men and Women, (The True Government) what power do their words have over anyone not subject to their Corporate Policies masquerading as Color of Law?

rk: Ed and Elaine Brown had it right when they said that unless government could show them the Law which they refused to do, TURN YOUR BACK ON THEM.

rk: I had it right, when I repeatedly drummed the point into the hard skulls of the mass public that unless government could prove in writing (as the law requires) JURISDICTION over me and others, WE MUST TURN OUR BACKS ON THEM AND BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT the courts.

rk: As a result of my adamant stance as a Sovereign Child of God, They threw me out of their Jail. and have not yet admitted JURISDICTION in FIVE YEARS, since the two kangaroo court trials they convened. The rest of the sleeping population is at the mercy of disinformation yahoos such as yourself who daily stir the pot toward violence, but they certainly have NO JURISDICTION over me, for I follow God's Law, not the Law of Mammon..

mtz: > AND NO COURT will convict the fed.... the fed will always win...

rk: BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT the fed, and see just how long they will continue to operate. Do you honestly thing the fictional Fed will continue to operate, once the New World Order takes over. The fed is a dead issue and even THEY KNOW IT.

mtz: > because the judge has to admit and see, that the WAR AND EMERGENCY POWERS ACT IS IN USE!!!!!!!!!!!

rk: Have I not told you their words are meaningless to anyone who is not a 14th Amendment slave, or subject to the worldly Corporate Policies by their waiver of God-given Rights, Consent, or Contract?

mtz: > and as long as that is so.... NONE OF THE THINGS THE FED DOES IS ILLEGAL.... its all legal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rk: Legal is NEVER LAWFUL!! Legal is merely a fiction which acts upon IGNORAMUSES.

rk: They are just words, empty word, impotent words unless YOU BELIEVE IN THEM AND SUPPORT THEM.

mtz: > RAy.... Shaun.... and you....

mtz: > dont seem very concerned about that.

rk: How do you arrive at that? I called their Satanic bluff, I refused to accept their contract of Sentencing and Probation, and what did they do? They threw me out of Jail. That's real justice.

mtz: > if you guys stood together with one goal.

mtz: > one battle to fight together....

mtz: > soon many would join you.

rk: I don't need followers where I have to wipe their noses, and goad them on with every step they take. That's the Satanic two-step which has allowed for the ignorant, blind and stupid to plod along through life, from the cradle to the grave since the dawn of Civilization. It is this and Other Christs throughout history who have brought you this message only to be ignored. You want the kind of world you have, YOU GOT IT!! Don't come complaining to me about it.. .

You can read Shun's post to Mosheh on soverigney in my previous post and this is one of Ray's posts where he calls Mosheh out. There are many others all one has to do is go back and read them from December/07

mtz: > soon... you could apply pressure to the government.

rk: I've already applied pressure to them. They are well aware of the threat I pose to them with my spiritual BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT. They threatened me with 35 years. After they threw me out of jail, I've neither seen nor heard, hide nor hair of any AGENT from the Oregon State Government regarding regarding my case or the $29,180,000.00 commercial judgement awaiting them for their repeated commercial defaults. See: http://www.arkenterprises.com/tortjoco.html and http://www.arkenterprises.com/gptraff.html

mtz: > soon... you might be closer to real freedom.

mtz: > but.

mtz: > as long as you guys focus on yourselves... and not others..

rk: Hell, as far as I am concern, I am the only REAL Truth resonating on these forums/newsgroups. They rest of you run around sporting a host of fictitious names in order to create the illusion of numbers and stir the pot toward violent revolution. You disinformation folks hiding behind a bunch of masks are a sad bunch to be sure.

mtz: > then you will always be fighting dumb little battles, and in the end you will loose.... BECAUSE YOU ARE FIGHTING THE WRONG FIGHT.

rk: In your dreams -- In your dreams.

mtz: > YOU ARE NOT BATTLING THE REAL SOURCE OF THE TYRANNY.

rk: Then why am I not in Jail? Why am I sitting here, free as a bird, in the comfort of my home, at my typewriter, EXPOSING the HELL out of the SATANIC OREGON STATE AND JOSEPHINE COUNTY GOVERNMENTS for the Freedom Destroying SATANISTS they are?

-MT

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"No other man but I in the recorded History of
mankind, including JESUS CHRIST, has directly
revealed to the World the SATANIC WEAPON used to
enslave mankind -- INTELLECTUAL THOUGHT!!"

Raymond Ronald Karczewski© http://www.arkenterprises.com

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Ray was wise he just refused to engage in any other communication with Mosheh. Wish I had done the same!