Hit them where it hurts the most, the wallet. - Comment on Maid Marion's post leading to Shaun's post. Maid Marion is right "one cess pool at a time". We do need a house cleaning that will be international in nature, and Maid Marion has listed at least some of the most important groups th

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NH underground forum.

Topic: Main thread for Ed and Elaine Brown vs the evil IRS :

http://newhampshireunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=3868.3855

Newbie Joined: Jun 14, 2007 Posts: 73

My hat is off to the Brown's. I left the states years ago because I knew what my tax money was used for and I felt like I had blood on my hands because I gave them money to carry out their evil. I have experienced the court thing and seen the pleasure in the eyes of the so-called authorities when they had success hurting innocent people. Nothing but scum.

A message to the "Federal Swine" who are reading this: Those who wear a badge or are part of the so-called judicial system should make their choice: A friend of freedom or not. Remember that YOU will reap what YOU sew. YOU who are part of this action in New Hampshire need to think about this carefully before you take one more step in the wrong direction. YOU may feel safe in your group, YOU may have a false feeling of security with all your equipment, YOU may have just forgotten that WE outnumber you and that many of us have had as much or more training than you, and that YOU are no better than the Gestapo. Ask yourself this question: What would have been the proper punishment for members of the Gestapo? YOU ARE ACCESSABLE.

Now, a question for the great patriots out there: How can we start a massive movement of "Conscientious Tax Objectors" (CTOs). I just think it would be fantastic if the "Federal Swine" had a couple of million families that they needed to surround, maybe they would need to bring the soldiers back from Iraq to surround all the CTOs. WE hold the power, WE just need to use it. It has been my dream for the last 20 years that WE the people would stand and resolve our problems without violence. The only way I can think to do that is to take control of the money. I wish I knew how to begin a general strike (including the honest military and law enforcement personnel). I have visited a website which is calling for a general strike in September. I would be pleased to hear any of your ideas.

I hope for a peaceful change of power, and I hope that when it is finished we will learn how to keep a government of honorable people. The fact of the matter is that we have no choice but to have a change of power,,,,,,,,,,,,, At this point it will have to be done one way or the other. That's the bottom line.

Sometimes it is necessary to get our hands dirty when we clean out our homes. (Don't worry, when you reflect upon your actions later and know that it was a necessary job well done you won't have any problem to wash your hands clean, no stains)

Until next time: Love to all.

If 2 sealed rooms are adjoined by a closed door and there is light in one and dark in the other when the door is opened the dark room becomes light, not the other way around. The dark side is inherently weaker, no way to change that.

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Browns To Hold National Press Conference
Randy Weaver to join tax protestors on Monday
Prison Planet | June 14, 2007
Steve Watson

Tax Protestors Ed and Elaine Brown have exclusively revealed today that they are to hold a press conference at their home in Plainfield New Hampshire this coming Monday.

Joining them in support and as a freelance reporter documenting the event for Infowars and the GCN radio network will be Ruby Ridge standoff survivor Randy Weaver.

Weaver was shot himself and lost his wife and young son in 1992 when the federal government brutally killed them when they refused to leave their property. He is showing incredible bravery and patriotism by putting himself back into a very similar situation.

Weaver has said that he wishes to diffuse the situation and prevent any bloodshed.

A press conference will be held with Weaver and the Browns this Monday at 2pm EDT, national and local press have been welcomed by the Browns.

The Browns situation has today been covered in the national press by CBS and AP , who have again described the Brown home as a "fortified concrete compound". Does the Brown home look like a fortified compound to you?

They also describe the Browns as "holed up" despite the fact that their home has no security gates or fences of any kind and is completely open to anyone who wishes to just walk in at any time.

U.S. Marshal Steve Monier acknowledged Wednesday that waiting out the Browns could take months, but he said time was on authorities' side. He said he hoped prison would seem like an agreeable option for the Browns after a summer without air conditioning and possibly a winter without heat, the report states.

"We have seized their phone and Internet service, and two days ago, we cut their power," Monier said. "It's a continuing effort to move them along to understand they need to do the right thing, and this is to surrender to us."

Monier has said there are no federal agents in Plainfield or surveillance teams in camouflage watching the fortified home at 401 Center of Town Road, despite it being proved that agents were lurking in the trees when they were discovered by dog walker Danny Riley who states that he was shot at and tasered and now describes himself as a "nervous wreck". Riley says that he is still being threatened for revealing that the FBI are involved in the case.

The report as well as another Union Leader piece state that the US marshals office was swamped with callers last week expressing support for the Browns after "a website" (i.e. Prisonplanet.com) urged readers to make a stand.

Click here to listen to Randy Weaver and Elaine Brown on the Alex Jones Show today.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/plainfield_browns_to_hold_national_press_conference.htm

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I am suggesting the distribution of the following (or reworded to your likeing) on as many forums as possible to begin a single movement.

We in Australia and the rest of the world are watching.

The difficulty for your Federal masters, if Ed and Elaine are seen to win then fewer people will file federal tax returns, if Ed and Elaine are killed then they die as
martyrs, (but that still instills fear in the population)

I would encourage the free people of the world to choose NOT to deal with the american govt/corporations/banks/instituations/monetary system. Travel elsewhere, Boycott America.

Your federal income tax goes essentially to fund your federal reserve, a private bank and your war spending, nearly half a TRILLION dollars to date in Iraq. Use Euro's for monetary exchanges.

America may weild a large sword, but to grow richer america requires commerce, the only way to affect america without war is to affect that commerce.
Boycott America.

Newbie Joined: Jun 14, 2007 Posts: 73

I am not an expert on this so please correct me where I am wrong. (tactfully please)

I agree with Prof rabbit (at least to some degree), we need to take their lunch money away. Ideally we could weaken the Feds enough to get control of the country again (not only an economic struggle) while the individuals there are still able to keep control of what they have worked for.

Obviously the scum who pull the strings have nearly total if not total control (in regards to making laws). This means that if we cut off one source of their income (such as no longer paying income tax) they will simply get their money another way. This would most likely amount to what would appear to be an economic attack on privately owned businesses and raising or creating more taxes for the individuals, since they want to destroy us anyway. No matter how we look at it they will go after us until they have drained us of everything. At which point (or maybe before) we will end up with a physical attack against the people (martial law, FEMA camps,,,,,) because their goal is to have total control.

Every day that goes by they have more people in place to carry out the martial law. The longer this drags out the more difficult it will be to do anything about it. I think we don't really know what their current capabilties are with "non-lethal weapons". These weapons are a card that may be used for bluffing or may just be the ace in the hole. If the microchip technology is advanced far enough and they find a way to embed these things in us we may not be able to resist. Maybe they are preparing a biological tool that is not ready at this point but will be soon. I see no way to avoid a physical conflict at some point or another. It looks like for us it is a matter of the sooner the better.

If it is better that they show their true colors as dictators and for physical conflict to begin sooner then the question is: How? This brings me back to hitting them in the wallet. I think that stopping the flow of money from us would be have a negative consequence on them internationally (to what extent in what areas I would not try to guess). I think that we should take the bull by the horns. I suppose if I was going to go toe to toe with a bull I would prefer to not feed it for a few days before I jumped in the pen with it. The base of their strength is money. Money buys the media, it buys friends overseas,,,,,. The strongest economic impact would be a general strike. If this was to include public transportation workers, logistics companies and telecommunications there would be no way to hide this from the international community. This would likely result in immediate martial law, which would result in them loosing control.

Now, the age old problem of getting the whole nation to move as one. We have made tremendous progress over the last few years in waking up people, no doubt. Unfortunately we are far far away from getting Americans to move simultaneously on anything. So what can we do?

We could try working really hard (already many people are) to convince everyone that they need to take action. Of course we will need the internet to make this a simultaneous movement and the internet will surely drop out before we can get it organized. So, unless somebody has an answer to this problem I don't really think that we will be able to initiate any action with enough of the people at one time (please let me know if you know how to do this). It seems that we are dependent on the internet to do anything like this at all and they have keys to turn off the internet (by the way, so do we).

I am assuming that when they initiate action against the people the internet will drop out. I assume that we will be extremely limited on possiblities to communicate quickly (or at all) from one part of the country to another (probably nearly impossible to communicate from one city to the next).

My analysis (please let me know what you think): We will not get a solid movement of the people. Things will continue to get worse until they finally go straight for the throat (could be any number of scenarios which initiate this), at which time the internet will drop out, phones will stop, roads will be blocked and a strong military presence will be staring us in the face. At this time the divide and conquer action will have begun. I suppose they will announce that there is a pendemic or something like that to keep the sheep from charging the shepherds. Some people will actually expose themselves by trying to verbally contest their control and they will be escorted out of the public eye and never seen again. Their action at that point will be to divide and separate in small enough sectors that they can do effective sweeps for guns and many people will be sent off to locations according to what value they appear to have to the scum in control, some will become sex toys until their death (many will be considered not worth keeping). Those who do want to fight will be overwhelmed by numbers because of being sectored off. They will want to use us for different things (like being soldiers or doing work that they need done). It would be to their advantage to make us feel as though any attempt to resist would be fruitless and only result in our death or torture.

Damn ugly picture I am painting. Looks like our best opportunity is to take the bull by the horns and quickly. A key factor in the outcome of this has to do with how many police and military stand down. It is important to have as many informed people as possible before something like this begins. Maybe we need to focus on waking up key players like the local sheriff, the police chief, local guard commanders, radio station owners,,, In the case that they show that they are clearly on the wrong side then at least we know where they stand (for future purposes).

Apart from non-lethal weapons I do not see any possibility to keep us under control for a lengthy period of time (assuming that they don't simply exterminate us like diseased cattle), unfortunately the longer they have control the more atrocities will be commited.

I am not able to put together a plan or to cause the implementation of it. One thing that continues to ring in my ear is the internet,,,,, they need it also and it is easy to stop. What about the phone systems? If we can effectively inhibit their lines of communication it would be to our advantage.

Sorry for the long read,,,,, please inform me of what I don't understand, this is a learning process, which works best with feedback. Thank you for your time. Oh yea, keep your powder dry.

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The enemies of freedom are making their final move in this country right now. Just ask Ed. This is no joke. We need to get ready (it doesn't take long) and make our counter-move as soon as possible. I suggest we don't initiate violence, but as soon as the other side does we strike back HARD and FAST.

Watch Ed's latest video. If you live in a town of 2000, with only 6-7 cops as the "security" force, you should be able to have control of that town EASILY. If the cops side with the NWO, neutralize them, if they side with you (which they should...they have families too, remember...and those families live within OUR neighborhoods), then we have greater numbers.

Guns and equipment will be important right now. Food and water stores will be as important. We will be treated like the Jews were during WWII. Heavily armed Jews do NOT get sent to the death camps, understand? Arm up now and be prepared to use it...

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There is no no doubt that they are making a last big push! The next 18 months or so will be an unbelievable push on the NWO's part. The only good thing about all of this is that the forgers of this movement are getting old and dying off.....Baron Guy de Rothschild died today. David Rockefeller is 90+ and Kissinger looks as though he is on his last legs.

The Institutions that we have to expose are the Crown of Britton and of Course the Vatican Bank.......Run by Jesuit General Fr. Peter Hans Kalvenbach, head of the Jesuits. The Free Masons and the Illuminati also need to be investigated and exposed for any and all of their crimes against humanity over the hundreds of years. Time to clean house world wide and as Ed said in the WeAreChange video .....one cess pool at a time.

Newbie Joined: Jun 14, 2007 Posts: 73

Comment on Maid Marion's post leading to Shaun's post.

Maid Marion is right "one cess pool at a time". We do need a house cleaning that will be international in nature, and Maid Marion has listed at least some of the most important groups that need to be brought to justice (and assets used to help straighten out the mess they have created). One step at a time, we need to correct our problems in the US first so we have the ability to go after the scum overseas. The first step won't be complete until we have replaced nearly all who hold positions in the federal government with honest forthright people and dissolved the agencies who are involved setting up the NWO. This brings me to Shaun's post.

Shaun is right, GET READY!!! The time is upon us and we must act. I truly wish that we could have a fair election and those elected would immediately do the right things to put us in line with what this country is supposed to be. Unfortunately we have no reason to believe that we can get a true election with the situation as it is. We didn't vote Bush into office and those sent to Washington to represent our views certainly do not represent the views of the people (maybe a couple of them). I have heard the opinion that we should wait for the next election. What for? We can have a fair election only after we take action. We have no reason to believe that it will work any other way.

Regarding the local law enforcement: In general it seems that a large number of these people are criminals who have gotten away with many crimes at least in part due to the corruption that has existed at higher levels. Those who are corrupt realize that they could be in danger if corruption at higher levels was extinguished, this is how it is from local to state to federal. Therefore we can expect that law enforcement on the local level that is corrupt will opt to keep things as they are (be on the wrong side when the "contest" begins). Nonetheless, the few decent police or deputies could be very helpful when push comes to shove. They have ways to inform the local community of what is happening not to mention weapons that will be used by the good guys or by the bad guys and communication equipment. The imposers of martial law who are sent by state or federal entities are more likely to stand down if they are opposed by local law enforcement because it would be more apparent that they are on the wrong side of the fight.

Does anyone know a way to sort out who is who amongst the local "authorities" before the conflict begins? Can we find a way to survey them?

In any case, we do need to get ready. Food supplies and weapons are important but not the only things we should prepare. Most likely internet and phones will be down so we may not know what is happening elsewhere. When martial law is imposed it is likely that communities will be told that there is a pendemic or terrorist attack. The US wil be sectored so that the imposers can take on small isolated groups of dissenters. We must eliminate the barriers that will be put up so we are not isolated into small pockets of resistence.

I would be pleased to hear your comments on this.

Note: I may sound a bit negative about the law enforcement. We are products of our environment. Where I come from the last honest cop quit about 20 years ago, he was faced with a situation of join the bad guys or be the mortal enemy of them. The local criminal cops were clearly allowed a free hand to run the drug business in the area, to run prostitution, to murder anyone who stood up to them, to murder anyone who accidentally learned of their activities, to murder people simply to get what they owned, to rape and molest. Their colleagues existed in neighboring counties and within the federal law enforcement. I have nothing against an honest person who truly intends to protect and serve their community. For the others, the scum that feed off of the people like vampires, I wish you a quick retirement when the time comes.

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:57 pm

Just found this site here today, joined up too. I had heard about these events unfolding from a online friend in montana. It started with just keeping track of what is going on with this, but have/ will keep updates on my yahoo page.

I am with you folks here also, supporting from a distance here in michigan. Over the years I see more and more of what the government is pulling with our citizens. Much of the last ten years as I evovled and took in more info, I dont feel I owe the government anything. Even as far as just out of highschool in the early 90`s I said no to the credit card trap. As the years roll on, I make do with less and less and feel better in a way for it. Some call me nuts but I dont care, its the working folk in this country that make the gears turn. With this in mind we the people will have the last say, and once the gub`mnet gets this we will come out ahead and a stronger country again.

Newbie Joined: Jun 17, 2007 Posts: 3

Does anyone know if Randy Weaver made it to the Brown's? Thanks, Creek.

**Member** Joined: Jun 12, 2007 Posts: 3128

bikermanj and creek welcome. Also I would like to suggest a great video to you that you can google it is called The Money Masters. When the page comes up go tot the Wikipidia one, I think it is about the fourth one on the page. When the page comes up scroll down to the bottom of the page and you wil see under ETERNAL LINKS The Money Masters video. It is ong and very detailed 3 1/2 hours. It will blow your mind and make you realize just how the system, courts, marshals etc are way out of line here. You will know beyond a shadow of a doubt who the criminals are. "Since you graduated in the 90s you are the generation that would have to shoulder this horrific debt that this administration and the neocon fascists want to foist upon you. The solution at the end of the film are the only way to go. Let the wealthy elite Global criminals shoulder this one!

The only cndidate who stated that he would get rid of the IRS the first week in office is Ron Paul! We have a chance......but very little money. If you could forward this video to all of your friends and then get behand Paul and vote for him is the only way we can stop this!!! Take care

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MaidMarion wrote:

bikermanj and creek welcome. Also I would like to suggest a great video to you that you can google it is called The Money Masters. When the page comes up go tot the Wikipidia one, I think it is about the fourth one on the page. When the page comes up scroll down to the bottom of the page and you wil see under ETERNAL LINKS The Money Masters video. It is ong and very detailed 3 1/2 hours. It will blow your mind and make you realize just how the system, courts, marshals etc are way out of line here. You will know beyond a shadow of a doubt who the criminals are. "Since you graduated in the 90s you are the generation that would have to shoulder this horrific debt that this administration and the neocon fascists want to foist upon you. The solution at the end of the film are the only way to go. Let the wealthy elite Global criminals shoulder this one!

The only cndidate who stated that he would get rid of the IRS the first week in office is Ron Paul! We have a chance......but very little money. If you could forward this video to all of your friends and then get behand Paul and vote for him is the only way we can stop this!!! Take care

Thank you so much MaidMarion. Will look up after this post. Creek.

I still would like to know if Randy Weaver made it to Ed's house. Doe's anyone know??

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I don't know if Randy has made it or not, although I intend to find out Smile

I really wish I could be there. >:{

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:20 pm

I have seen a real display of friendship around the browns. I would like to be helpful as well as others. I see a bright future for america if the support of the people increases. The feds have to see the light someday cause they are people too. I hope they understand the situation and leave these people alone.

Please avoid another killing like the one at ruby ridge or waco.

Mr. Randy Weaver, Mr. Alex Jones please keep doing your work. You are so important for people like me also waking up far away from your land.

What can I do to help the browns?

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:26 pm

I have seen enough to know that our government is really out of control. Our monetary system is a complete fraud, controlled by a corporate entity. With that in mind, I see no other way than to let the ones that hoard all the money be the ones to bail us out of the mess they produced. I do have the video link bookmarked, i`ll get to it on the weekend.

Newbie Joined: Jun 16, 2007 Posts: 2

I am a treehugger and I have bought some arms for the 1st.time I am taking ACTION WAKE UP!!!

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:36 pm

This may be a bit of good news.
U.S. MARSHALS SERVICE ORDERED TO "CEASE AND DESIST" ENFORCING INCOME TAX EVASION RULING AGAINST NEW HAMPSHIRE FAMILY
WAIT UNTIL YOU READ THE FACTUAL LEGAL BASIS IN COURT RECORDS PREVENTING THE FEDS FROM COLLECTING INCOME TAX AND PROVING FEDERAL COURTS HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CRIMINAL JURISDICTION

This could Bankrupt the federal government within a week if the rest of America finds out about it.

As a matter of legal fact, the "United States" is already Bankrupt with no possible means of paying its debts because its main tax collection system is factually unlawful per the information in this story!!!

Needless to say, I am now breaking this news to the world so the chips fall where they may!!

http://www.halturnershow.com/USMarshalsORDEREDToCeaseAndDesistTaxEnforcement.html

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Wow, the biggest news if true.

**Member** Joined: Jun 12, 2007 Posts: 3128

STOP AND THINK BEFORE YOU POST THIS SORT OF NONSENSE!

I HOPE THOSE INVOLVED WILL HAVE THE DECENCY TO MAKE AMENDS TO DANNY AND ESPECIALLY TO ED AND ELAINE.

QUESTIONING THEIR ABILITY TO JUDGE WHO THEY SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT TRUST IS INSULTING TO SAY THE LEAST!

**Member** Joined: Jun 12, 2007 Posts: 3128

This is the first time I have come across these posts.

I hope the people who posted their venom has appologized to Danny Riely by now. None of us has gone through as much as Danny has on behalf of Ed and Elaine! Did he do it perfectly? Probably not! But then again neither would anyone. These armchair posters are the type who would be the first to really spill their guts, confronted with the same situation.

For your information Danny came back to Ed and Elaine's house. He told them all about what transpired between him and US Marshal James. He then posted a video which is on this site that you could have checked out before posting these distructive, slandering, unfounded accusations.

I also hope that you have apologized to Ed and Elaine. They are the ones who know who and who not to trust, not you armchair posters. Stop abusing and insulting them with your unsolicited advice.

None of you were shot at or tasered. This has been confirmed. You were not taken into custody and threatened with all kinds of jail time.

You uniformed fools, jumped the gun and condemed a man who has proven to have more courage and integrity than most of you put together. Shame on you for smearing his name this way. The most honorable thing you could do is erase these posts since you have been proven wrong.

Dan has posted the best information clips on the illegality of the income tax and the notice of lien on the site showedthelaw. He also is involved with this site's administrator, in getting a fund raiser started. He has been nothing but supportive and a unifying force on both sites. Your smearing comments add nothing to this site.

I suggest something for you to contemplate, that I constantly remind myself about, AND THAT IS:

OPINIONS ARE LIKE ASSHOLES, WE ALL HAVE ONE, BUT WHEN I AM SPEWING AN UNINFORMED OPINION, I AM USUALLY BEHAVING LIKE AN ASSHOLE!

Enough said..........end of story!

**Member** Joined: Jun 12, 2007 Posts: 3128

I had been looking for the cease and desist order that bikermanj refers to in his post above.

Since this document is now in effect........is there any way that we could charge the U.S. Marchals with noncompliance.......in view of their trying to get the truck driver to take them onto Ed and Elaine's property?

I would love to see something like this done. I hope that they did not scare the truck driver to the point that he would not identify who these people were that came to his house on several occassions. These bastards are out of control!

The crimes of this government has gone on too long!!!!

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I've just spent the last 2 hours viewing a video called "Randy Weaver - Massacre at Ruby Ridge." It was made a few weeks after the incident by local people, and it's quite poignant. There were hundreds of outraged neighbors who stood vigil for the 11 days of the siege.

Best line was by one of the protesters: "Since when has the Constitution of this here United States ever been suspendable by anyone?"

Woman in the crowd: "They could target anyone here as the next hostage family."

Col. Bo Gritz: "You know what happened--we had to make a citizens' arrest to get their attention."

The citizens' arrest was what got the feds to relent. Up to that point it was clear they intended to proceed as with the previous murders of Gordon Kahl and Robert Matthews: burn them alive. Kahl was just a tax resister. Matthews was a bank robber, among other things. In his case 500 agents surrounded his cabin and fired M-79 "Starburst" flares into it until it caught fire.

In the case of the Weavers, the Feds tried to keep all news cameramen away from the site, but one got through and filmed a helicopter hovering over the cabin. The publication of that footage probably caused the feds to change their plan to drop incendiaries.

Later an FBI spokesman said, "I've heard enough of this talk that we shot a mother with a baby in her arms. That's just not true."

"They fired at the FBI helicopter and that's when the FBI guy was given permission to open fire" at occupants of the cabin.

The camera footage showed that this was another FBI lie.

The citizens' arrest named specific individuals such as Gene Glen, the FBI Special Agent in Charge; Henry Hudson, the Director of the U.S. Marshals Service; William Sessions, the FBI Director; and Cecil D. Andrus, the governor who authorized the federal agents and military personnel to operate in the state. It charged them with the murder of a 13 year old boy and other crimes.

Suddenly these bureaucrats realized that they weren't pulling strings from afar anymore. They might actually have to bear the consequences of their actions. It was a very good move by Bo Gritz, Jack McLamb, and the local citizens. And it is a tactic that we should consider in the case of the Browns.