Point/counterpoint - The problem... is being able to end the emergency.... and end the bankruptcy... and doing it.... without economic ruin.... and without... without... ruining the value of the Dollar... or the T-bills which already exist........ it ca

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:26 pm

Today I got to listen to the entire Alex Jones show ( 03-24-0 Cool

. He had Paul Craig Roberts on his show today who is a guest he has had on a few times in the past. Today's show was a real eye opener even for me>> because like many of you on this forum I am aware of how totally corrupt that the courts, police and governments ( city, county, state & Federal) have become. Paul Craig Roberts elaborated how these prosecutors even go to bars and brag about how funny it was to have framed totally innocent people on drug charges and various other infractions that produced a great deal of money for those in charge. I've known this deep down in my heart for some time now but I have never heard it put so succinctly like Paul Craig Roberts conveyed it today on Alex Jones' show today. Tyranny comes to your door in a uniform.
EVIL has completely and totally taken over our system. Ed & Elaine Brown were/are definitely an accurate indicator of all that is wrong within our system. Even with the facts on their side and the Constitution on their side they still lost ( at least temporarily anyway). Their plight is a true indicator that they make up the rules as they go without a doubt. I put this thread in the SPIRITUALITY slot because I truly believe that we as Americans are all guilty of abandoning our moral compass and have to a large degree allowed this evil system to evolve to what it has evolved into. The Police IMHO are to be feared far more than a potential car jacker, home invader, rapist or even murderer under this present environment. There are no checks and balances for the police at all. The very few cops out there that do have a fragment of decency are so out-numbered that they have very little input. The cops, judges and attorneys ( most of them) no longer operate on any semblance of right versus wrong they now operate on corporate greed along with the rest of the nation. Folks they already have declared war on us. I truly wish there was another country to go to. I truly urge all of you to listen to the replay of today's Alex Jones Show. It will depress you but the information is so urgently timely that it may save your life and keep you from falling into a trap similar to the one that Ed & Elaine got caught up in.

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Amos 5:10-13

Quote:

They hate him who reproves in the gate, and they abhor him who speaks the truth.
Therefore because you trample on the poor and you exact taxes of grain from him, you have built houses of hewn stone, but you shall not dwell in them; you have planted pleasant vineyards, but you shall not drink their wine.
For I know how many are your transgressions and how great are your sins- you who afflict the righteous, who take a bribe, and turn aside the needy at the gate.
Therefore he who is prudent will keep silent in such a time, for it is an evil time.

Side read which will be typed out next time: Amos 5:18-24

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JD-Spydo wrote:

Today I got to listen to the entire Alex Jones show ( 03-24-0 Cool

. He had Paul Craig Roberts on his show today who is a guest he has had on a few times in the past. Today's show was a real eye opener even for me>> because like many of you on this forum I am aware of how totally corrupt that the courts, police and governments ( city, county, state & Federal) have become. Paul Craig Roberts elaborated how these prosecutors even go to bars and brag about how funny it was to have framed totally innocent people on drug charges and various other infractions that produced a great deal of money for those in charge. I've known this deep down in my heart for some time now but I have never heard it put so succinctly like Paul Craig Roberts conveyed it today on Alex Jones' show today. Tyranny comes to your door in a uniform.
EVIL has completely and totally taken over our system. Ed & Elaine Brown were/are definitely an accurate indicator of all that is wrong within our system. Even with the facts on their side and the Constitution on their side they still lost ( at least temporarily anyway). Their plight is a true indicator that they make up the rules as they go without a doubt. I put this thread in the SPIRITUALITY slot because I truly believe that we as Americans are all guilty of abandoning our moral compass and have to a large degree allowed this evil system to evolve to what it has evolved into. The Police IMHO are to be feared far more than a potential car jacker, home invader, rapist or even murderer under this present environment. There are no checks and balances for the police at all. The very few cops out there that do have a fragment of decency are so out-numbered that they have very little input. The cops, judges and attorneys ( most of them) no longer operate on any semblance of right versus wrong they now operate on corporate greed along with the rest of the nation. Folks they already have declared war on us. I truly wish there was another country to go to. I truly urge all of you to listen to the replay of today's Alex Jones Show. It will depress you but the information is so urgently timely that it may save your life and keep you from falling into a trap similar to the one that Ed & Elaine got caught up in.

LET ME JUST SAY......

i dont agree with you.... or alex jones.... completely...

there is evil.... but mostly...

its just the evil leading the blind....

its not the blinds fault.

i PERSONNALLY... know people in law enforcement...

and they are not evil.... bullies... yes... but inherently evil... no.

some... surely...

but not all.... not organised evil for evils sake..

they still.... are trying to be the good guys...
and there are plenty of bad guys to justify it.

but....

If I ever come to believe as you just wrote....

if that day comes.....

I fear my own actions.

-MT

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Hi takeastand.....................so good to see your post and I hope you come back more often. How apropos your post is in these truly evil times.

MT ..............................Believe it ...........Alex has had Paul Craig Roberts on many, many times. He was the father of Reaganomics under the Reagan administration.................. on another interview a few months back he called the neocons and this administration nothing but a bunch of two bit thugs!

So maybe it is time for you to consider what your action is going to be!

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MaidMarion wrote:

Hi takeastand.....................so good to see your post and I hope you come back more often. How apropos your post is in these truly evil times.

MT ..............................Believe it ...........Alex has had Paul Craig Roberts on many, many times. He was the father of Reaganomics under the Reagan administration.................. on another interview a few months back he called the neocons and this administration nothing but a bunch of two bit thugs!

So maybe it is time for you to consider what your action is going to be!

I still believe in the inherent goodness of the average american... as well as those in political office....

there are many arguements to be made....

but as of yet.... I do not see tyranny...

I see alot of blind fools... being lead by morons... who have evil bastards wispering in their ears....

as of yet.....

I still have faith, that we can fix.... what is wrong....

when I loose that faith.... then... actions will follow.

-MT

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MT WROTE: I still believe in the inherent goodness of the average American... as well as those in political office....

MM REPLIES: Well maybe you should start out with the 900 + lies that Bush and this administration have told us so far. These are major whoppers the main one of course lying us into the war in Iraq. Does not the fact that there are 18 year olds and up dying in Iraq for the global elite not give you something to take action about Mosheh?

there are many arguments to be made....

but as of yet.... I do not see tyranny...

MM REPLIES: THEN GET YOUR SILLY ASS TO AN OPTOMITRIST AND GET SOME GLASSES.

MT WROTE:I see a lot of blind fools... being lead by morons... who have evil bastards whispering in their ears....

MM REPLIES: You do not identify who the blind fools are ............who the morons are ............or who the evil bastards whisperng in their ears are........how come Mosheh.

MT WROTE:as of yet.....

MM REPLIES: WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO WAKE YOU UP?

MT WROTE: I still have faith, that we can fix.... what is wrong....
when I loose that faith.... then... actions will follow.

MM REPLES: THIS IS MORE OF YOUR BULLSHIT MOSHEH! YOU ARE ONE AND THE SAME AS MoshehTheZion who was banned by the administration. You even sign out just like him MT or mt........Please do not think we are so stupid that we are not aware of you or what you are up to.

Folks MoshehTheZion is on the membership list page 22. You can click on those posts and see here he was banned.

Now we have MOSHEH he is talking the same and signing out with the same initials MT or in some cases mt. They are one and the same troll. Do not be drawn in by this creep he is really trolling for info.

The Freedom Four are on trial right now as we speak and they are trying to get info. The case is real flimsy and a US Marshal was even caught lying on the stand.

As far as I am concerned you can blow it out your ass you scum!

-MT

MM Replies: There is his sign out signature , the exact same as Mosheh_TheZion who was banned. He thinks he can come here and play us like fools!

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wow...

did not expect all that.. gesh..

anyho....

You are suggesting that because the voters allowed a conspiracy of idiots to take power in the white house.... because of that i should go ballistic?

Let me ask you something... maidmarion...

do you like democracy? eh???

because if you give it any thought... you would realise that democracy by its design breeds conspiracies........... literally..

most of these conspiracies of power.. are public... they are called political parties....

but, the elite, with all their free time, have been able to conspire for hundreds of years.. in fact.... since the birth of wealth systems...

presently...

pARTIES... and groups... pACS... FOUNDATIONS... orgs.... you name it.... white supremists.... muslims.... jews.... black power...

unions...

its all groups conspiring to promote their own groups welfare...

We have trusted to our representatives....

and we have been robbed.

We can fix it...

all the american people need to do, is demand that a president end all the states of emergency... and restore the constitution...

and set us all free.

You... curse me for wanting to do that.... again... i say it is odd and strange.

-MT

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It's funny how you joined yesterday Moshe. I do have to apologize but so far I am going to have to take your opinion as a TROLL.

Who are you protecting? If you are who you say you are, an advocate of Truth, promoter of True Justice and want the dissolution of corruption then you would already know that scripture (The Bible if didn't know) points in the direction of where our problems lay. James 2:1-7 specifically 6 & 7. These people have been ruining and corrupting people wanting to live according to what the holy word says to do. The Rich! They have become corrupted with their riches and has enslaved men who thought they were free (one of the Freemasonry requirements none the less).

I am not judging you Moshe, just calling you how I see it. Your words don't align with what scripture says (the manual on how to live your complete life; business, government, family, self).

One Father, one baptism, and one ruler above all! But, our kingdom is in heaven (which is another word for sky or space). When it comes time to have our eyes open to see it, then he will allow it. Don't hope for that day of darkness but prepare yourself and watch for the time.

Don't worry Maid, much more to come!

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MOSHEH wrote:

wow...

Mosheh Wrote: did not expect all that.. gesh..

anyho....

MM Replies: Well that only shows you how out of tune you are with the feelings of the American people!

Mosheh: You are suggesting that because the voters allowed a conspiracy of idiots to take power in the white house.... because of that i should go ballistic?

MM Replies: Do what ever the hell you want Mosheh. However stay the hell out of our way. If you do not feel any anger about the implicit or complicit behaviour of this administration and the false flag that was perpetrated on 911 that says it all. To not even call for an independent investigation or even have the congress discuss it when it has been discussed in the Japanese parliament also speaks volumes! No I do not expect you to be ballistic about any of it....................you are a paid troll. That has been established!

Mosheh wrote: Let me ask you something... maidmarion...
do you like democracy? eh???

MM Reples: No Mosheh, I hate democracy....................that is mob rule. And it is not the American form of government. We have a constitutional republic...........which is rule of law! However the media has been referring to America as a democracy for so long that an idiot like you are not even aware of your own form of government! Go and do some research and then come back here and post. If you do you might just stop working for the criminals!

Mosheh wrote: because if you give it any thought... you would realise that democracy by its design breeds conspiracies........... literally..

most of these conspiracies of power.. are public... they are called political parties....

but, the elite, with all their free time, have been able to conspire for hundreds of years.. in fact.... since the birth of wealth systems...

presently...

pARTIES... and groups... pACS... FOUNDATIONS... orgs.... you name it.... white supremists.... muslims.... jews.... black power...

unions...

its all groups conspiring to promote their own groups welfare...

We have trusted to our representatives....

and we have been robbed.

We can fix it...

all the American people need to do, is demand that a president end all the states of emergency... and restore the constitution...

and set us all free.

MM Replies: Since Mosheh does not even know what form of government we have, I do not feel the need to respond to him further!

Mosheh writes: You... curse me for wanting to do that.... again... i say it is odd and strange.

MM Replies: I curse you for trying to infiltrate this forum and I do not believe for one minute that you are sincere in wanting to restore the constitution. Also you are a very naive fool if you think for one minute that the neocon corporate fascist regime that is now entrenched (in both parties) and have a NWO agenda will ever hand us back our republic, constitution or the Bill of Rights.

So as I told you once before .....................blow it out your ass Mosheh or go and do Israel's bidding, fight her wars with the vicious Zionists.......as for me I am done with that crap. And it has nothing to do with Jewish people...................but everything to do with Zionism. Regardless of how the ADL tries to spin it! Stay clear of me Mosheh................I will have nothing to do with the likes of you!

-MT

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takeastand wrote:

It's funny how you joined yesterday Moshe. I do have to apologize but so far I am going to have to take your opinion as a TROLL.

Who are you protecting? If you are who you say you are, an advocate of Truth, promoter of True Justice and want the dissolution of corruption then you would already know that scripture (The Bible if didn't know) points in the direction of where our problems lay. James 2:1-7 specifically 6 & 7. These people have been ruining and corrupting people wanting to live according to what the holy word says to do. The Rich! They have become corrupted with their riches and has enslaved men who thought they were free (one of the Freemasonry requirements none the less).

I am not judging you Moshe, just calling you how I see it. Your words don't align with what scripture says (the manual on how to live your complete life; business, government, family, self).

One Father, one baptism, and one ruler above all! But, our kingdom is in heaven (which is another word for sky or space). When it comes time to have our eyes open to see it, then he will allow it. Don't hope for that day of darkness but prepare yourself and watch for the time.

Don't worry Maid, much more to come!

look my friend....

dont take it from me...

just google... new deal of 1933....

Maidmarion suggests that im not upset that people are in jail..

that im not upset that 9-11 may have been done by our own government...

that im not upset that the constitution is not in effect...

she is wrong.... I am very upset.....

but I am focuing on the REAL ISSUE.... the real cause of the problem..

HOW IT GOT THIS WAY!!!!!!!!!!

it happenned in 1933... with a '''declared state of emergency.'''

which allowed the fed to mutate over 80 years into its present form.

this mutation..... can be cured.

but only a president can fix it... with a pen....

or the people CAN fix it... with mass protests... and alot of arson.

-MT

Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 1:20 pm

MOSHEH I do agree with you that the "Emergency War Powers Act" which was indeed implemented by Franklin Roosevelt in 1933 as you have stated is true and it has in a very sneaky fashion eviscerated our Constitution. That point I personally do agree with you on. There is a scholar named Eugene Schroeder who has done an exhaustive study on the War Powers Act and I do encourage everyone here on MTS to research Eugene Schroedor's work. His work is very revealing and nothing short of astounding.
I will however differ with you in that it is not our fault that we elected Bush, Clinton or any of the other array of organized criminals who have hi-jacked this great land. Because we haven't had any real honest elections in many, many years. The elections in this country are rigged like a carnival game. They rig who they let on the ballot> they rig who gets to even run for any office in either of the controlled parties to begin with. And to top all of that off they, not any of us are the ones who count the votes. So do you think for one second that they are going to give anyone an accurate count of the votes? I will be willing to bet my savings that Ron Paul probably got thousands of votes that were never counted.
So with that being said the problems are not the fault of the people per se because our political system was hijacked many years ago. Bush didn't win either one of his elections but yet got the nod from the bastards on high. So where do you think that the people are at fault? I guess maybe you could say that we the people are at fault because we didn't discover the fake elections years ago and by default we allowed it to happen. There could be a case to be made there. But when the people never even ever had a voice to begin with you can't say it's the fault of the average person.

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AAAHHH..... DDDAAAHHH....

and how did it get this way????? how did it get so rigged??????

could it be the un-limited war powers being used by corrupt people...

over 80 years...

with evil lobbists wishpering in their ears...

maybe... eh?

and how do we fix it?

by ??? what??

ending the emergencies..... and restoring the constitution....?

right... very good... you deserve a cookie.

the fault... is not the average persons..... because they dont know..

I learned...and I am acting in my own way..

now you know.... hopefully you will act as well...

people.... are ready to march in the streets for more money... or for protesting the war... any war.... or against political changes... like taxes....

but why are there NO marches for the constitution????????????????????

why??????

because no one knows..

now you know.

go tell others.

-MT

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You know Moshe. I may have pegged you wrong and I am not afraid to admit that.
BUT... There are at least 2 flaws to your 1933 FDR proof.

1) In 1913 a group of rich people had met off the coast of Georgia on an island called Jekyll Island and drafted the work to implement what we call The Fed and IRS. This project was to gain themselves more riches in the form of taxes (illegal) and rob from the common folk citizenry. In other words, the rich are the source of our problems, NOT 1933. This year 1933, was the implementation (put into motion) of their pet project. FDR was a Shriner (nothing more than a promoted mason) and had helped to promote the evil works which what we are now feeling the effects of. http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/All_Seeing_Eye.htm

The above url speaks a little about FDR as a 32nd degree mason but if you search (there are other search engines other than Google), it will tell you more about him as a shriner, shoot, it'll even show you pictures along with his "buddies". 1933 was nothing more than these guys entertaining their "infatuation" with numerical patterns. 33 is the highest degree you can obtain in the U.S.

2) It was Congress that signed The Fed and IRS into being later in 1913 while most were on vacation (during Christmas (a pagan holiday no less; read Jeremiah 10 the first few verses)). I think the people should pressure CONGRESS to dissove The Fed and IRS since they were the ones that signed this treasonous act and The current president IMPEACHED! Congress are the ones responsible for betraying OUR COUNTRY. Pelosi sang her song to get into office and then she proved that she is no better than the opposition.

1933 Moshe, was the year that they enacted to obey their rich masters. You going to show me more masonic stuff?
But, if they put a stop to all the emergency acts when there is none, then the money will stop flowing. You are right in this. But it is our job to expose them and KICK THEM OUT. Maybe we aren't shouting enough?

Keep an eye out. Remember, the U.S. is supposed to get hit a second time. They said so with their own mouths.

Gone to eat. Don't be surprised if I don't respond a few days in between.

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Just wanted to share a quick url... The word is getting out about Freemasonry, Shriners and other "Devil Dens".

http://www.lilnet.org/

Sabbath scripture will typed Friday night for personal study. It will be from Daniel 11:20-45. An interesting read but I am just typing it for you all.

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The problem...

is being able to end the emergency.... and end the bankruptcy...

and doing it.... without economic ruin....

and without... without... ruining the value of the Dollar... or the T-bills which already exist........

it can be done....

see---------> http://ecclesiaorworldfed.blogspot.com/

the united states.... has so much commodity wealth in the ground, that it could easily and quickly pay off its debt, and be running in the black, and could as such, lead in world in a massive economic boost.....

a boost towards a new economic era, of ZERO un-employment.

THE bush adminstration has ignored me, but I am hopeful for the next one.

-MT