Or ...I'm Just Ignoring You!! - Bill Maher: Faith Is Dumb! http://video.stumbleupon.com/#p=nsxa51x5uv Could not have said it better myself.

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Just for the fun of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uwOL4rB-go

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Wow is this your very first page 2?

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OK Ray, sign off without a response, remember silence equates to fraud.

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Just because I want this thread on top.

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:13 am

I would also like to know how you gather intellectual thought and speaking is of Satanic proportion. If man and woman weren't met to speak then why did God give us a voice? In your view God must be Satan then. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's what you state that's what is "enslaving mankind".

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:11 pm

Gage

g: > I would also like to know how you gather intellectual thought and speaking is of Satanic proportion.

rk: I suggest you cease seeking wanting to know, instead seek to understand my work. Knowledge conditions. Understanding sets one free from conditioning.

rk: Pat answers condition. You show your tendency toward such conditioning by demanding pat answers.. Your schools have done a job on you. So what have they taught you? Did they teach you how to think, or what to think?

rk: You keep asking questions and demand pat answers. You'll get none of them from me. If you want to understand, you'll have to work for it. Dig in, and start reading. After all, what are you willing to do to arrive at understanding of yourself and the world you live in?

rk: If you have the initiative and the stick-to-it- ivness, you shall begin to unfold in consciousness. Otherwise be prepared to be the Blind, being led by the blind.

g: > If man and woman weren't met to speak then why did God give us a voice? In your view God must be Satan then.

rk: The petty "god" of Intellect is indeed Satan. The Wholistic God of Infinite intelligence, can be resonated with in the state of Divine Awareness

rk: That is the God that the average man seeks but shall never find

g: > Correct me if I'm wrong but that's what you state that's what is "enslaving mankind".

rk: You can start by working upon you spiritual discernment. You got it all BASSACKWARDS.

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"No other man but I in the recorded History of
mankind, including JESUS CHRIST, has directly
revealed to the World the SATANIC WEAPON used to
enslave mankind -- INTELLECTUAL THOUGHT!!"

Raymond Ronald Karczewski© http://www.arkenterprises.com

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:16 pm

My schools did not teach me how to think nor what to think. Those are both my choices as a person to make. By the way you must have went to school, correct? Schools are all the same therefore don't be quick to judge my educational system... even if it sucks. We're all fed the same information.

You're the one that has spirituality backwards. Anyone going around saying they are a Christ should be locked up in the nut house for examination. The day I open up my Bible and see your name in it along with the other self-proclaimed Christs I will feel bad about what I said here but I don't see that happening anytime soon.

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http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=27454809

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StumbleVideo: Top 80 Best Short Atheist Quotes About Atheism And Religion

http://video.stumbleupon.com/#p=m5gg6qhljc

Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:02 pm

Give it up Munchie, you're only being ignored it looks like.

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Silence equates to guilt Gage. No response means I am correct about his nature and reason for being here. Or he is in jail again.

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:05 am

m: > Silence equates to guilt Gage. No response means I am correct about his nature and reason for being here. Or he is in jail again.

rk: Or .... I'm just Ignoring you. Hell, isn't it?

rk: Oh! By the way, I instructed the Mortuaray to not send obits to the papers.

rk: YOu jerks really can't get anything right, can you?

Raymond

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:28 am

Christ is stepping out of his shell now.

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You guys really can't get past the Christ thing, can you?

Christ is understanding and truth, not some mystical character. You can spend your life worshipping him, or actually experiencing his divine awareness for yourself. You can worship Christ merely by looking upon with blind eyes, or be Christ, your choice.

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Thank you for posting Shaun. I would just add one other thing.....Christ is also love and compassion. Something I see sadly missing in the above posts!

Let it go you guys. There are far more important things to deal with on this site.

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Sorry Shaun and Maid, I don’t see religion the same way you do. I see religion as simply another way for the elite to control the masses. They live in their shinny palaces and beg for money from those who can least afford it. They live by their various books of fairy tales and try to convince others they are real. Pay your way into the heavens and submit or suffer for eternity in hell. Don’t buy it any longer and I never will again. Watch the videos I have posted and you will get a better idea of how I feel. If you all want to believe far be it from me to try and stop you. It's your right, they have killed billions of our fellow human beings over the centuries in gods name, look around you; it is still happening to this very day and I find it all very disgusting. These sick and twisted human beings, killing and maiming women and children in the name of something that so obviously does not exist. If he did exist he would not allow it to happen in the first place.

All I have done here is asked Ray to treat me with respect, if he is going to post my writings off this blog he should have the respect to link back here or stop using it. Is that too much to ask? I want no part in the blogs and usenets he is posting my work to; because I DO NOT believe in his religious agenda I find it all to be silly. In return for asking him to stop or simply post a link back here, I get slandered, immediately lashed out at, called an agent among many other things. I don’t think you would stand for that very long, either one of you.

If I put the same corporate copy right symbol to my work as he, he would be committing plagiarism. Even without the corporate symbol, I find what he is doing to me to be dishonest at the very least and I feel I have a right to be angry with him. And I will be; until I receive an apology from him and a link posted on his site back to this forum. Or my work removed from his site altogether.

The following quote is from; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagerism you can see the rest of the definition there.

“Plagiarism is the practice of claiming or implying original authorship of (or incorporating material from) someone else's written or creative work, in whole or in part, into one's own without adequate acknowledgement. Unlike cases of forgery, in which the authenticity of the writing, document, or some other kind of object itself is in question, plagiarism is concerned with the issue of false attribution.”

I thank you both for your input into our conversation and look forward to your further contributions

Munchie

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Bill Maher: Faith Is Dumb!

http://video.stumbleupon.com/#p=nsxa51x5uv

Could not have said it better myself.

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:19 pm

munchiewizard: Stick your copyright issue in your ear!!

munchiewizard wrote:

Raymond Karczewski (arkent3@earthlink.net ) wrote:

You'll get no apology from me on this copyright issue. I have already explained the copyright symbol behind my name.

I have never INITIATED a conversation with you, as I see you to be a
petty government/media wordtwisting disinformation agent.

My messages are never parochial. If I speak to one, I speak to the world. Many are confused (such as yourself). I share our conversation with any and all who may benefit from it.

The fact still remains, I do not initiate these interactions and many can benefit from your ignorance, as they may see it in themselves and thus have an opportunity to change..

You choose to engage another on an open forum, where it ends up is beyond your capabilities. You have no such copyright protection in your petty displays. Learn to live with it.

Ray

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I'm not looking for copy right protection Ray; I'm looking for common courtesy of which you seem to have none. Therefore you cannot hold yourself up as a christ to me or anyone else. You stole from me. In your fantasy world, that is a sin. Show a me true christ that would do that and I will happily agree with you.

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It all comes down to your mirror of truth Ray. You can no longer look upon and be true. It is that simple sir.

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With all due respect Ray, you are a phony. You do not practice what you preach. You lie, cheat and steal for your own benefit. You belittle any and all that disagree with you and make any attempt you can muster to make your position look correct. You sir; can no longer face the mirror of truth, because your truth has been revealed for all to see. If you were a real christ you would know better.

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Learn to live with it Ray Good Nite.

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Who said anything about religion?

I don't believe in religion. And I agree that it IS yet another system (education, politics, economics, culture, etc) to control the masses.

When Ray refers to Christ, or calls himself a Christ, he isn't talking about religion. He's using a religious symbol to try to jar peoples' spirit a bit.

I would really prefer that no one talk about religion in here. I'm not saying you can't, but I'm not sure why it was even brought up. Religion, as Ray says, is a mind-conditioning tool.

So, WHAT exactly do you have a problem with, Munchie? Can you sum it up in 1 or 2 sentences? You have me totally lost, I have no idea what you are trying to say, of what you are trying to acuse Ray, or what you're talking about. Shocked

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And THANK YOU MM for bringing up the best point I've heard so far. It is about love.

"Love is all you need"

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Munchie, I too do not and have not belonged to any organized religion for a long, long time. In fact one of my favorite video clips is George Carlin on the religion thing. I consider myself a recovering catholic.

I do not feel that religion is what Ray is talking about at all when he says he is a Christ. It has nothing to do with organized religion. At least that is my interpretation of what he says. (I don't want a clarification if it isn't lol) He believes as I do that there is no separation. It could also be the Buddha conscientiousness as far as I am concerned. We are also spiritual beings and this is the type of thing I use to feel my spirit.

While I agree with you about the tremendous horrors mankind has done in the name of religion and that they are also in place to control and manipulate the masses, there has been those who were genuine down through the ages and did some great things for their fellow man.

I do not for one minute believe that Ray would post that his wife Anita had passed on if that had not been the case.

I also do not for one minute think that you Munchie are a troll. Just because it is not my issue that does not mean for one minute that you do not have a right to your feelings.

I just care about you both and have learned a lot from both of you. I hope that you can resolve this issue. I have tremendous respect for both of you.

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It is simple the answer is net etiquette.

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Without it, we are no better than them.

**Member** Joined: Jun 12, 2007 Posts: 3128

Point well taken.

By the same token as a newer net user, and one who is learning all of this on my own, I am sure I have gone way over the line and not been as respectful as I am in person.

There is something about the (falsely) anonymous feel about the computer that seems to encourage the iconoclast in me!

Also at this stage of the game given my age etc........I sometimes feel I have earned the right to blow people (trolls) off! To be truthful I get great pleasure out of doing that.........................guess it has something to do with control. And we all know that control is just an illusion. I am going to be more prudent in the future! Wink

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I got an email from Ray. His account on this forum hasn't been hijacked or anything. It is true that his wife passed away recently. We're all very sorry to hear the news.

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I for one never questioned it for a minute. And once again I am very sorry to hear of Ray's loss.

Anita seemed like a woman who was not afraid to speak her mind while standing up for the constitution and the bill of rights.

For goodness sake take a look at what some police want!

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2008/240208database.htm

Well the F@#$%^s aren't getting my DNA. Database my ass...........can you imagine how they could control you with this. Any crime they can't resolve just put a little DNA of someone who is giving them trouble...........and away they go to jail or where ever they want!

You know I hate to say it but I think I lived (the major part of my life) in the best of times.