FUD and other such comments - I agree with you. I'm just pointing out how hard it is to actually find a real patriot and friend to help in times of need regardless of the circumstances.

Newbie Joined: Apr 16, 2007 Posts: 30

Video here under "Little information released at scene".

Anyone know what's up?

Newbie Joined: Apr 16, 2007 Posts: 30

Digg Ed Brown stories here.

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Thanks Texas_Dawg. I am trying to spread this knowledge to those that will listen.

Site Admin Joined: Apr 03, 2007 Posts: 580

I'm trying to dig up info as we speak.

CIRINO, an American Citizen, has had his personal, private, cellular phone forcefully DISCONNECTED presumably by authorities.

Ed and Elaine's phone is also down.

Apparently an alleged supporter (ooooo, what a crime!) of Ed and Elaine was walking his dog on or near the property of Ed and Elaine when he discovered the marshals there. The marshals arrested him because of the discovery! Check out the press conference at the link below!

http://www.wmur.com/video/13461249/index.html

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I'm digging, blogging, and spamming bulletins and emails as fast as i can.

Recruit Joined: Apr 15, 2007 Posts: 193

so they got him by mistake then when he walked his dog.

Newbie Joined: Apr 16, 2007 Posts: 30

Hey, guys...

I put my initial post back the way it was. It had been edited to say this was the official siege thread, which I'd have no problem with other than that it makes it look like I was the one using the words that were in big red letters. Just not my style, so I put my words back in the thread title and my initial post.

Hope you understand. Thanks.

Newbie Joined: Jun 07, 2007 Posts: 1

Does anyone know where there might be more information on what's going on?

I can only find two local news sources that mention what's happening.

Newbie Joined: Jun 07, 2007 Posts: 1

I just spoke with Cirino.
His cellular phone was disabled.
The Browns' house Internet was disabled.
He feels that spirits are high and ready to resist.
If the local so-called authorities will not help the Browns, the citizenry must.
Striking must be quick decisive and, above all, organized.
Does anyone have a helicopter?

Newbie Joined: May 04, 2007 Posts: 9

Jose wrote:

I just spoke with Cirino.
His cellular phone was disabled.
The Browns' house Internet was disabled.
He feels that spirits are high and ready to resist.
If the local so-called authorities will not help the Browns, the citizenry must.
Striking must be quick decisive and, above all, organized.
Does anyone have a helicopter?

the myspace pages indicated that the phones are back up. Is that true? Who was the guy who got arrested?

Newbie Joined: Apr 16, 2007 Posts: 30

Jromett wrote:

Does anyone know where there might be more information on what's going on?

I can only find two local news sources that mention what's happening.

Check here.

Newbie Joined: May 04, 2007 Posts: 3

I have a satellite telephone. It could provide them with a way to communicate and email. It is much harder to block (as opposed to cell phones.)

Newbie Joined: Apr 16, 2007 Posts: 30

Dutch wrote:

I have a satellite telephone. It could provide them with a way to communicate and email. It is much harder to block (as opposed to cell phones.)

Are the Feds still blocking access to the Browns? Would it be possible for someone to get a satellite phone and other supplies to them at this point?

Recruit Joined: Apr 15, 2007 Posts: 193

its already up someone got in there luke from loose change he got phone internet all wireless so they cant cut off again.

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as for the feds there were on his properity thats how got riley when walking the dog then staretd shooting whils his wife was in the shower was hearing it from him and his wife from the alex jones show.

Newbie Joined: Jun 06, 2007 Posts: 2

I'm new here but not new to war, covert and other, so I just got this 'headsup' from shaun. It is always good to take a deep breath before allowing the 'reactive mind' to dictate to you what you should, or shouldn't, do. Remember WACO? Remember Vickey Weavwer? Well, the NWO croud know exactly how to create (Thesis, Antithesis, Synthesis) alarming consternation and knock your socks off before you've had time to get them on.

It's a helluva thing to die with your boots off but it's even more hellish to be swept up into somebodies Co-INTELPRO. Take time to recon the whole picture. Drill, drill, drill. Act only when you know what you are up against. Disinformation is an act of warfare too so lets be absolutely clear as to what is or what isn't going on.

Coordination is key to victory. From what I can see there isn't a lot of it here, yet. Observation, Orientation, Decision, Action.

The message I received was based on 'reaction' and called for bodies. My suggestion is that we organize first and not fly off the handle.

I'll be waiting further reinforcement of the overall picture. In the meanwhile some of you may be interested in this site:

http://www.outlawslegal.com/ also for anyone interested in "Operational Remote Vieiwing" check out: http://www.dojopsi.com/ there is also a web board that can be accessed after you join up.

War is never pretty so don't go off fighting half cocked. Infotel is crucial. http://oss.net/

RA

Recruit Joined: Apr 15, 2007 Posts: 193

well i heard the sherrif ran as the feds moved in to get brown what a coward he has the power to stop all this but he coward he might as well resighn now he showed his true colors i hope the browns live through this ordeal.

Newbie Joined: May 11, 2007 Posts: 5

stormulf wrote:

I'm new here but not new to war, covert and other, so I just got this 'headsup' from shaun. It is always good to take a deep breath before allowing the 'reactive mind' to dictate to you what you should, or shouldn't, do. Remember WACO? Remember Vickey Weavwer? Well, the NWO croud know exactly how to create (Thesis, Antithesis, Synthesis) alarming consternation and knock your socks off before you've had time to get them on.

It's a helluva thing to die with your boots off but it's even more hellish to be swept up into somebodies Co-INTELPRO. Take time to recon the whole picture. Drill, drill, drill. Act only when you know what you are up against. Disinformation is an act of warfare too so lets be absolutely clear as to what is or what isn't going on.

Coordination is key to victory. From what I can see there isn't a lot of it here, yet. Observation, Orientation, Decision, Action.

The message I received was based on 'reaction' and called for bodies. My suggestion is that we organize first and not fly off the handle.

I'll be waiting further reinforcement of the overall picture. In the meanwhile some of you may be interested in this site:

http://www.outlawslegal.com/ also for anyone interested in "Operational Remote Vieiwing" check out: http://www.dojopsi.com/ there is also a web board that can be accessed after you join up.

War is never pretty so don't go off fighting half cocked. Infotel is crucial. http://oss.net/

RA

Good advice. Yes, it's easy to get mad as hell and want immediate retribution. Remember that we are dealing with a military machine that is well trained to use force against any and all enemies of the corporate government machine. We see time and time again that they will not hesitate to use it against you or me, without due process. This war on terror Bull-hockey has conditioned many to believe that it is justified as the press will spin appropiately.

The big issue about this particular situation is one of local law enforcement's unwillingness to defend persons on their county. The Sherrif is the ONLY elected law enforcement officer in the country and is duty-bound to protect and defend. If he is unwilling to process a criminal complaint from the dog-walker, should one be filed (and it should), then you have a real problem.

I think we all know that any and every form of corporate government are minions of FEDCORP, so now it becomes a matter to be decided by sovereigns that are completely out of options - save one. It CAN be done, but will be ugly.

Dog-walker - don't fear coersion. File a complaint. Hold a press conference. You are a victim of abuse.

Could someone post info about the local Sherrif's office, i.e., website, e-mail, mailing address, etc., so that others can let him know his performance is being monitored?

Newbie Joined: Apr 26, 2007 Posts: 2

Well the Marshall lied in his first statement once for sure. He stated that the supporter whom they encountered was "not injured." I don't know about you all but those 50,000 volt Taser marks look like an injury to me and if they were taking shots at him, just because he was a supporter I might add, it would certainly appear that they were willing to do something more than that.

Have you all noticed any further discrepancies in the initial reports?

~D~

Newbie Joined: May 04, 2007 Posts: 3

Gentle readers and fellow patriots,

This is volatile situation with enough misinformation and bad advice to go around. We don't need the addition of ridiculous unproven voodoo silliness such as "remote viewing."

The U.S. Marshals attempt to capture and arrest (I do not believe their story that it was a "test") Ed and supporters yesterday accomplished two things.

First, it undoubtedly gave Ed, Elaine and others valuable insight into who is reliable under stress and who isn’t.

Second, it served as a stress inoculation for those who are still at the Brown Residence.

The biggest enemy of Brown Supporters is F.U.D. - Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.

While I know that Ed & Elaine do not believe in attorneys nor do they support them. What would be helpful for those of us who would like to exercise our rights of peaceful assembly, free speech etc. would be a civil rights attorney who could craft a set of "rules of engagement" for us.

These rules will give us a clear understanding where the "legal line" is for supporting the Browns. This would go a long way to mitigating the demoralizing effects of F.U.D. Furthermore, it is empowering to those who choose to protest and conduct civil disobedience in the likely even that there are mass arrests of activists.

Each of us is prepared to support the Browns and our liberty in a different way. It is important that we all understand what the limitations and potential ramifications of that support are. This does not limit an individual's right to commit deeply to the movement, however it provides a wide margin, within which protestors of varying levels of commitment may operate.

In other words, if you show up at the Brown’s property it would be helpful to understand what is likely to happen to you if you are arrested. If you carry a sign, a gun, pizza, a bottle of water, a solar array, sat phone, etc. What happens if you are arrested and refuse to cooperate with the authorities? The answers to these questions will go a long way to removing Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt and in creating a natural confidence within the activist community. It also allows protestors to settle on a level of commitment that they find comfortable

There are those among us (most citizens) who have been condition and programmed to obey government and authority types. For those of us who have not yet swallowed “the Red Pill” and who are still enslaved by fear of the Gestapo tactics of the government “Matrix”, these rules of engagement will provide a safe margin within which they can operate. Activism is good for the soul and tends to wake up the sleeping.

The government’s tactics of intimidation are intended to discourage good, peaceful and honest people from participating in completely legal acts of protest and support. Remember when you remove Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt, what is left is a calm sense of purpose and belonging.

By understanding where the legal line is, we are then in a better position to stand firm in support of Ed, Elaine, et al, and stand up for our rights as citizens while documenting any abuse that comes from the federal authority figures.

When we as individuals understand what behaviors we may engage in and what the federal take on those behaviors may be (*even if you are of the belief the feds have no jurisdiction over you) we are then in a better position to determine our own fates both as individuals and as a group.

Furthermore, with all due respect, Danny Riley does not strike me as a credible person. I would like to hear from other Brown supporters on any independent confirmation of the “shooting” that he says occurred.

Riley seemed all to eager to lay down and cooperate with the feds during questioning and afterward become their pawn in a half baked attempt to infiltrate Ed. Snitches can never be trusted. This is a demonstration of how authority figures can use F.U.D. to manipulate otherwise honest people.

Has there been ANY independent verification that shots were fired? If there is please publish it here. Once this is done and if it is true, we as supporters need to contact national news agencies and try to get this story covered. The idea that a SOG team would shoot at an unarmed man fleeing (shooting him in the back essentially) is news worthy.

If Riley’s story turns out to be a fiction or an exaggeration, we need to get that message out also. Remember a departure from the truth is a departure from the truth. To overstate a problem, is just as destructive as understating it.

Beware of the inside man (or woman). Every peaceful political movement knows that they are already infiltrated. In a room of ten supporters there is bound to be at least one snitch or undercover operator.

Beware of agitators. Undercover operators or freelancers who would join the cause with the intention of not only gathering intelligence, but trying to actually instigate violence (making it look like our side started it).

These are typically the outspoken and over the top types, they are actually working for the opposition. Their goal? To "manage" a response. To try to provoke or instigate activities that flush out those among us with short fuses or a sense of the dramatic.

By instigating this they can publicly justify murder and anything else they do. The answer to this cause is not violence, but a steadfast commitment to peaceful resistance and self-defense.

If we join forces with nonviolent protestors and if we can get enough people to the property (even if we have to rent port-a-potties and drill another water well) we can create an atmosphere of resistance where a violent encounter will only complicate the already strained federal credibility.

What we don't want is for the feds and the media to spin this thing in a way that paints every libertarian and every supporter of the Brown’s as an unbalanced 'survivalist' nut-job or terrorist. Once they slap us that brush it will be difficult to paint this movement any other color.

I have more to say, however I will wait to see what feedback I get from this statement first.

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I believe Ed talked about the two shots (I believe it was exactly two, and was definitely at last two) fired on the Alex Jones show. Ed went on to say that he's lived there for a very long time, has been around firearms all his life, and knows what shots near/on his property sound like and where they would be coming from.

So, I believe shots WERE fired, and personally that they were "warning" shots. I still believe this is an unlawful use of lethal force. Danny Riley should file charges so that we can expose the sheriff even more. It's too bad that Danny was intimidated by them into cooperating -- I trust he'll think twice next time. We've talked to him a lot about it and told him not to say a word next time.

I think you raise some good points in your post. It's hard for me to go to a lawyer (most lawyers don't know their ass from a whole in the ground) for advice. Lawyers usually do NOT have a grasp of the law. If someone is supporting Ed and Elaine nonviolently and without victimizing another, I can't tell them what to do or what not to do -- that is their decision and their responsibility.

I'll post more later

Newbie Joined: Jun 12, 2007 Posts: 2

The goverment should never threaten people, there suposed to work for the people , abvously this isnt the case.. Shots fired and a tazer on a guy that is simply at browns household.. totally out of control and unjust.

Bu thats how they work all they know is force and fear.

They cant just sit down and show the law or show that the browns are responcable for these taxes.. any human would rather do this than fight it out with guns.. unless of course there is no law that states these taxes are legal.

Ed says he will pay the tax if it legitimate.

Newbie Joined: May 04, 2007 Posts: 9

Are the Browns okay? Keene Free Press is reported that they may be under attack and the power was cut again.

http://www.keenefreepress.com/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=539&Itemid=36

Newbie Joined: Jun 12, 2007 Posts: 2

Our Father moves in mysterious ways!

We MUST pray only that His will be done. This does not mean to become sheep, but to strap on the Holy Armor of God!

If it be His will that violence occur for a righteous cause, then SO BE IT!

Those of us who cannot be with Ed, Elaine and the others in and near "the compound" are holding all involved in our hearts and prayers!

Ed and Elaine, we are praying for your path to be only as He would have it.

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:57 pm

Praise God for His love. Ed and Elaine, I wish I could be there for you. You are in my prayers. Stand strong and be courageous. Do not falter. Many eyes are on you. You are the example for a great many people to do what is right no matter the consequences. I love you.

Recruit Joined: Jun 11, 2007 Posts: 105

I really believe the guy "walking the dog" is a FED and a informent if not that guy is a traitor he surrenders and tells the feds everything then he escapes back to new york? what was that all about? what a coward he should of not told them NOTHING

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:05 pm

Of course he should have said nothing. However, when the fed starts talking bout locking you up or going after your family, your loyalty to your family and the status quo supercedes your loyalty to a cause. Sad but true.

Recruit Joined: Jun 11, 2007 Posts: 105

zigidyz wrote:

Of course he should have said nothing. However, when the fed starts talking bout locking you up or going after your family, your loyalty to your family and the status quo supercedes your loyalty to a cause. Sad but true.

thats bullshit he joined this and knew there was risk the moment he signed up to cut and run is nothing but french chickenshit no wonder america is sinking its cowards like that what a pethetic individuel and I will tell you that guy will never be a hero & a patriot like Ed & Elain brown.

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:29 pm

I agree with you. I'm just pointing out how hard it is to actually find a real patriot and friend to help in times of need regardless of the circumstances.

Newbie Joined: Jun 12, 2007 Posts: 1

Ed and Elaine Brown....you are truly our modern day REVOLUTIONARIES~!!! I give you my total support from down here in North Andover, MA!!! You are in my prayers and may God be with you!!!

I apologize that I haven't the ability to drive, as i would be there as we speak.

Please be safe and keep God your number one priority!!!

Blessings and Prayers,
Heather S,
North Andover, MA