Bankruptcy and slavery - I AM sovereign. I challenge you to show me YOU are. So far, you have not shown me you have the understanding of what it means to be sovereign. You continue to suggest that these "states of emergencies" developed by corporation (fictional gr

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The Bankruptcy of The United States
United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993 Vol. 33, page H-1303

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Speaker-Rep. James Traficant, Jr. (Ohio) addressing the House:

"Mr. Speaker, we are here now in chapter 11.. Members of Congress are official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any Bankrupt entity in world history, the U.S. Government. We are setting forth hopefully, a blueprint for our future. There are some who say it is a coroner’s report that will lead to our demise.

It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law 89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m session June 5, 1933 - Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only.

The receivers of the United States Bankruptcy are the International Bankers, via the United Nations, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. All United States Offices, Officials, and Departments are now operating within a de facto status in name only under Emergency War Powers. With the Constitutional Republican form of Government now dissolved, the receivers of the Bankruptcy have adopted a new form of government for the United States. This new form of government is known as a Democracy, being an established Socialist/Communist order under a new governor for America. This act was instituted and established by transferring and/or placing the Office of the Secretary of Treasury to that of the Governor of the International Monetary Fund. Public Law 94-564, page 8, Section H.R. 13955 reads in part: "The U.S. Secretary of Treasury receives no compensation for representing the United States?’

Gold and silver were such a powerful money during the founding of the united states of America, that the founding fathers declared that only gold or silver coins can be "money" in America. Since gold and silver coinage were heavy and inconvenient for a lot of transactions, they were stored in banks and a claim check was issued as a money substitute. People traded their coupons as money, or "currency." Currency is not money, but a money substitute. Redeemable currency must promise to pay a dollar equivalent in gold or silver money. Federal Reserve Notes (FRNs) make no such promises, and are not "money." A Federal Reserve Note is a debt obligation of the federal United States government, not "money?’ The federal United States government and the U.S. Congress were not and have never been authorized by the Constitution for the united states of America to issue currency of any kind, but only lawful money, -gold and silver coin.

It is essential that we comprehend the distinction between real money and paper money substitute. One cannot get rich by accumulating money substitutes, one can only get deeper into debt. We the People no longer have any "money." Most Americans have not been paid any "money" for a very long time, perhaps not in their entire life. Now do you comprehend why you feel broke? Now, do you understand why you are "bankrupt," along with the rest of the country?

Federal Reserve Notes (FRNs) are unsigned checks written on a closed account. FRNs are an inflatable paper system designed to create debt through inflation (devaluation of currency). when ever there is an increase of the supply of a money substitute in the economy without a corresponding increase in the gold and silver backing, inflation occurs.

Inflation is an invisible form of taxation that irresponsible governments inflict on their citizens. The Federal Reserve Bank who controls the supply and movement of FRNs has everybody fooled. They have access to an unlimited supply of FRNs, paying only for the printing costs of what they need. FRNs are nothing more than promissory notes for U.S. Treasury securities (T-Bills) - a promise to pay the debt to the Federal Reserve Bank.

There is a fundamental difference between "paying" and "discharging" a debt. To pay a debt, you must pay with value or substance (i.e. gold, silver, barter or a commodity). With FRNs, you can only discharge a debt. You cannot pay a debt with a debt currency system. You cannot service a debt with a currency that has no backing in value or substance. No contract in Common law is valid unless it involves an exchange of "good & valuable consideration." Unpayable debt transfers power and control to the sovereign power structure that has no interest in money, law, equity or justice because they have so much wealth already.

Their lust is for power and control. Since the inception of central banking, they have controlled the fates of nations.

The Federal Reserve System is based on the Canon law and the principles of sovereignty protected in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. In fact, the international bankers used a "Canon Law Trust" as their model, adding stock and naming it a "Joint Stock Trust." The U.S. Congress had passed a law making it illegal for any legal "person" to duplicate a "Joint Stock Trust" in 1873. The Federal Reserve Act was legislated post-facto (to 1870), although post-facto laws are strictly forbidden by the Constitution. [1:9:3]

The Federal Reserve System is a sovereign power structure separate and distinct from the federal United States government. The Federal Reserve is a maritime lender, and/or maritime insurance underwriter to the federal United States operating exclusively under Admiralty/Maritime law. The lender or underwriter bears the risks, and the Maritime law compelling specific performance in paying the interest, or premiums are the same.

Assets of the debtor can also be hypothecated (to pledge something as a security without taking possession of it.) as security by the lender or underwriter. The Federal Reserve Act stipulated that the interest on the debt was to be paid in gold. There was no stipulation in the Federal Reserve Act for ever paying the principle.

Prior to 1913, most Americans owned clear, allodial title to property, free and clear of any liens or mortgages until the Federal Reserve Act (1913)

"Hypothecated" all property within the federal United States to the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve, -in which the Trustees (stockholders) held legal title. The U.S. citizen (tenant, franchisee) was registered as a "beneficiary" of the trust via his/her birth certificate. In 1933, the federal United States hypothecated all of the present and future properties, assets and labor of their "subjects," the 14th Amendment U.S. citizen, to the Federal Reserve System.

In return, the Federal Reserve System agreed to extend the federal United States corporation all the credit "money substitute" it needed. Like any other debtor, the federal United States government had to assign collateral and security to their creditors as a condition of the loan. Since the federal United States didn’t have any assets, they assigned the private property of their "economic slaves", the U.S. citizens as collateral against the unpayable federal debt. They also pledged the unincorporated federal territories, national parks forests, birth certificates, and nonprofit organizations, as collateral against the federal debt. All has already been transferred as payment to the international bankers.

Unwittingly, America has returned to its pre-American Revolution, feudal roots whereby all land is held by a sovereign and the common people had no rights to hold allodial title to property. Once again, We the People are the tenants and sharecroppers renting our own property from a Sovereign in the guise of the Federal Reserve Bank. We the people have exchanged one master for another.

This has been going on for over eighty years without the "informed knowledge" of the American people, without a voice protesting loud enough. Now it’s easy to grasp why America is fundamentally bankrupt.

Why don’t more people own their properties outright?

Why are 90% of Americans mortgaged to the hilt and have little or no assets after all debts and liabilities have been paid? Why does it feel like you are working harder and harder and getting less and less?

We are reaping what has been sown, and the results of our harvest is a painful bankruptcy, and a foreclosure on American property, precious liberties, and a way of life. Few of our elected representatives in Washington, D.C. have dared to tell the truth. The federal United States is bankrupt. Our children will inherit this unpayable debt, and the tyranny to enforce paying it.

America has become completely bankrupt in world leadership, financial credit and its reputation for courage, vision and human rights. This is an undeclared economic war, bankruptcy, and economic slavery of the most corrupt order! Wake up America! Take back your Country."

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COUGH.... COUGH.....

James trafficant for president.!!!!!!!!!!!

He is an insider who had the balls to lay it all out on the line... and he went to jail for it.

I will vote for him any day.

Ron paul.... could say these things... but he doesnt.

aS FAR AS IVE HEARD..... ron paul... doesnt plan on restoring the constitution... he just wants to eliminate the benefits.
which makes him worse that any other candidate....

because if I cant have my sovereignty... then I damm well better get social security, and health care!!!!!!!!!!!

that was the new deal of 1933....

a deal... we are getting ripped off from.!!!

the deal... was social security... for our rights.

well... we have lost our rights... and now they want to take away our benefits....

I have lost faith in RON PAUL!!!!!!

-MT

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You wrote: "aS FAR AS IVE HEARD..... ron paul... doesnt plan on restoring the constitution... "

I'm open to hearing what you've heard, but you haven't pointed out any facts that this is true. Thanks for the intro. to James.

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aa wrote:

You wrote: "aS FAR AS IVE HEARD..... ron paul... doesnt plan on restoring the constitution... "

I'm open to hearing what you've heard, but you haven't pointed out any facts that this is true. Thanks for the intro. to James.

That is why I said.... "as far as ive heard"

because i have heard nothing about him promising to do anything about reducing the emergency war powers HE would have once HE is president.

he talks about elliminating the irs... and some good things.

but i have heard him discuss eliminating social security, and medicare...

but..

he does not say, we will do so, to re-instate the constitution, and he says nothing about re-storing our sovereignty.

He has discussed... that I have seen... only eliminating the benefits.

that is not a good deal.

Every candidate knows.. about this issue.

every one!!!!!!!!!!!!!

James trafficant learned all this in congress.

James had balls.

And I am still waiting for any candidate to have those same balls.

the thing is....

any sitting presdient that ends the emergencies....

would be robbing himself of emergecy powers.

he would be reducing his own authority.

But... if he actually worked for the people, he should gladly do so.

instead...

The candidates simply ignore the issue.

-MT

(IF YOU remmember... Kennedy... was going to get us off debt currency... Kennedy was going to put us on silver money..
and he got shot in the head.)

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Hi M_thezion,

As far as I can see it looks like Ron Paul is very open to answering all questions clearly and openly. Will you write up a few key questions in a reply? and maybe someone who has connections can get some answers. At very least it will bring your point closer to being acknowledged on mainstream media. We all need answers loud and clear so issues like these can shine bright instead of in the shadows promoting fear in some to talk about them. Thanks for bringing it up.

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In recent interviews with Glen Beck and Joe Scarboro on MSNBC, Ron Paul discussed all the wars since WWII. He was very clear about stating that he did not believe that we had to fight korea, Vietnam, and now this war with Iraq. He was also clear about adhearing to the Constitution and having the President go to congress (not the UN) before we engage in any wars in the future. This sounds to me as if he is going to restore the Constitution as far as declaring wars are concerned.

So much has been erroded of the Constitution for the past 100 years or more that it will take America many years to recover. It will not be done overnight. At least this would be turning the country back on the right path.

He has definitely said that one of the first thing he would do is get rid of the IRS. I am hoping that any President who would abolish the IRS, that action could have a direct affect on Ed, Elaine, the four supporters and all others who have been imprisioned on any Federal Income Tax "crimes." I am still hopeful that they all would be released. Maybe a very far fetched wish, but one I hope comes true nevertheless!

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aa wrote:

Hi M_thezion,

As far as I can see it looks like Ron Paul is very open to answering all questions clearly and openly. Will you write up a few key questions in a reply? and maybe someone who has connections can get some answers. At very least it will bring your point closer to being acknowledged on mainstream media. We all need answers loud and clear so issues like these can shine bright instead of in the shadows promoting fear in some to talk about them. Thanks for bringing it up.

ok...

1) I ask, "Mr. candidate for president(whoever).. In the 1930's the government offered the people of the USA, A NEW DEAL, and as part of that deal the president envoked the War and Emergency powers act, to declare a state of emergency, which literally, at that time, ended constitutional law, by granting the Federal government unlimited emergency powers, and that for over 70 years, that state of emergency has been held in place and upheld by every sitting president, and has literally been the cause of the loss of all the sovereign rights of the people by the passage of over 66 million laws to control the 'once was' free people, and has allowed over that time, for the fed to break every foundational limit of the constitution, and has placed all of america into debt, and so I ask you... sir or maam... If you become president, will you restore the constitution as the rule of law, by ending those STATES OF EMERGENCY? , and bring back the common law, free the masses from statute rules, and allow us to use real money that doesnt carry endless long term debt??
Will you end, those states of emergency as president?
Will you set the sovereign people of america free?

Or will you as president, keep the un-constitutional government as is?"

-MT

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aa wrote:

Hi M_thezion,

As far as I can see it looks like Ron Paul is very open to answering all questions clearly and openly. Will you write up a few key questions in a reply? and maybe someone who has connections can get some answers. At very least it will bring your point closer to being acknowledged on mainstream media. We all need answers loud and clear so issues like these can shine bright instead of in the shadows promoting fear in some to talk about them. Thanks for bringing it up.

also...

I should mention that I would not blaim them for failing to provide good answers...

Because there is only one..

1) end the emergencies... restore the constitution, and free the people.

2) quickly pass several ammendments, granting very specific and limited powers to the fed to continue to offer very specific benefits.

3) revalue the dollar... I.E let americans use real money.

4) restart the statute legal system, built on the common law, not around it, no harm no foul.

He or she would need to be prepared to make these remarks, which would allow the government to smoothly transistion back to a constitutional one, which can develop its powers the proper and open way, which is by writting very clear ammenemnets to that same pure document of law, which is the constitution, which they are always waving in our faces.

-MT

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http://www.apfn.org/apfn/1933.htm

Help americans: Rescind, Revoke & Restore What's Left of Us!
Rescind, Revoke & Restore What's Left of Us!

by kirwan

April 29th - 2005 - We are beginning the fifth year of the new millennium and this nation has never been in greater danger. This country is cringing under a cloud of growing fascism that is being led by the Politics of Division. There is a war between the economic classes that erupted when the middle class was murdered. In matters of religion, the divisions are threatening to rip this nation apart, because Bush tore down the wall between church and state.

And personal sexual rights and responsibilities have been under siege since the new Barbarians began to rewrite the constitution in religiously specific ways.

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Then I found this and I have a tendency to feel that John Dean may know what he is talking about.................but just who can one trust in this day and age?

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20020607.html

PRESIDENTIAL POWERS IN TIMES OF EMERGENCY:
Could Terrorism Result In A Constitutional Dictator?
By JOHN W. DEAN
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Friday, Jun. 07, 2002

At present, the President has opted to exercise only a few of his emergency powers. Under the National Emergencies Act, at this time, he is only utilizing provisions relating to the military.

Will the President choose to use additional powers? It depends on the future. Because we don't know what shape this undeclared war on terrorism will take, we can't know what powers this president - or any successor - might need to cope with the problems of terrorism.

An American President, should he need them, possesses awesome powers. Those powers potentially include what political scientists have described as the powers of a "constitutional dictatorship." No President has ever had to go that far - although they have come close.

Read full article at link!

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exactly....

thats the problem... Emergency war powers 24hrs a day, for 80 years.

-MT

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You are oblivious, Mosheh_Thezion.

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I'll ditto that..................Mosheh your slip is showing!! Laughing

It makes you wonder why they even bother. Mosheh your church was just started in May/07 and you had all of $1.53. Is it a front too or are you thinking you are the real deal? Rolling Eyes

I must admit that your information about FDR and the War Power Act and all of the other stuff that has gone on has made me do a lot of research! Having been born in Canada well after 1933 we did not study Ameican History. So I have spent a lot of time with all of this..............It's an ill wind that blows no good! Laughing

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MaidMarion wrote:

I'll ditto that..................Mosheh your slip is showing!! Laughing

It makes you wonder why they even bother. Mosheh your church was just started in May/07 and you had all of $1.53. Is it a front too or are you thinking you are the real deal? Rolling Eyes

I must admit that your information about FDR and the War Power Act and all of the other stuff that has gone on has made me do a lot of research! Having been born in Canada well after 1933 we did not study Ameican History. So I have spent a lot of time with all of this..............It's an ill wind that blows no good! Laughing

1) BEING a failue at organising a family of the meek, does not make me a front group for the fed or any media outlet.
the truth of the matter is i live in a trailer, and I have been harrasing the fed and the media for these 2 years now, to which i have been ignored.
I dont know that I am anything but a fool, but I challenge you as I have challenged the world, to argue me down. show me that i am wrong and i will and can apologies, and i will change my view.

thus far i have been left wanting for any real arguents, and so i continue.

2) I have met via internet, alot of people like shaun, who will make quick statements about my error, flaw, or that i am oblivious... but then do not back it up by showing me how and why...

3) you fools need to realise that the biggest obsticle to getting everyones sovereign freedom back, is those states of emergnecy.
During a declared emergency, the fed has unlimited powers.

inthe 70's they passed a law saying, that states of emergencies must be ended after two years.... many of you may know of this...

but..

if you read it, you will see that it has a clause that states it does not apply to any long standing previous generation emergencies declared, and only to new ones.

but new ones dont matter.

because they dont actually add any power to the fed that it doesnt already have, its just something they can say to justify anything they do in the minds of the public for shortperiods of time.
but it is a lie.
because we are always in that emergency.

this one issue is the core.
it is the heart of the matter.

only ending those emergencies can restore our freedom.

anything else, is just individuals using contract law to parley their freedom on the high seas, forgetting that the pirates are organised to rule the waters.

-MT

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I AM sovereign. I challenge you to show me YOU are. So far, you have not shown me you have the understanding of what it means to be sovereign.

You continue to suggest that these "states of emergencies" developed by corporation (fictional groups of spineless men) -- indeed these FICTIONAL ENTITIES -- somehow affect you or I. I disagree.

Mickey Mouse (another fiction) can be made to state anything, including an emergency, and it still does not affect me.

I'm quite aware of how contracts work. The fact that criminals use documents and papers purporting to be contracts also does not affect my sovereignty.

So keep talking about states of emergency, and everything else. Talk about the Patriot Act, or any other ACT -- THEY ARE ALL ACTS -- ACTS LIKE IN THEATER. They don't matter to a sovereign.

A sovereign should also recognize that he or she does not need another soul or warm body on this planet. He or she simply is. He or she is sovereign whether not one stands beside or whether a billion stand beside. A sovereign simply is. One is sovereign the moment one comes to understand this concept and chooses to be.

If you are here for the right reason, you should be trying to get others to understand this. But you must understand it first yourself. This UNIVERSAL TRUTH can be understood by all, and even a single man or woman who understands it can change the world. Ed and Elaine understand it -- they HAVE changed the world -- and my guess is they will change the world even more for the better.

Stop blathering about states of emergency, because they are fictional, and don't apply to sovereign men and women. Hell, let's remove all silly "labels" and just talk about things how they are. I'm a man, and a state of emergency doesn't affect me. So get out of fantasy land.

I would also like you to answer my question. Why do you hide behind a veil of anonymity on here? What's your real name? I put my name to my words. Will you put your name to yours? Or will you reveal yourself as yet another disinformation/misinformation/distraction agent on our site, ever-working to stear peopel AWAY from this truth?

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MT; thank you for James, it would help me to see things a little clearer if this true. Can you provide a link to the doc? I can’t locate it at firstgov.

I must admit, I have not had the time to read any of your other writings, so I’m not sure what all the hoopla is about. I guess you can call me an impartial witness. I have seen information about this in the past so I did a simple search at www.firstgov.gov and this doc popped up. Here is a taste of that doc to get you to go to Yale and read the rest. http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/warpower.htm

“The Avalon Project at Yale Law School

War Powers Resolution
Public Law 93-148
93rd Congress, H. J. Res. 542
November 7, 1973
Joint Resolution

Concerning the War Powers of Congress and the President.
Resolved by the Senate and the House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SHORT TITLE
SECTION 1. This joint resolution may be cited as the "War Powers Resolution".
PURPOSE AND POLICY
SEC. 2. (a) It is the purpose of this joint resolution to fulfill the intent of the framers of the Constitution of the United States and insure that the collective judgement of both the Congress and the President will apply to the introduction of United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, and to the continued use of such forces in hostilities or in such situations.
(b) Under article I, section 8, of the Constitution, it is specifically provided that the Congress shall have the power to make all laws necessary and proper for carrying into execution, not only its own powers but also all other powers vested by the Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.
(c) The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to (1) a declaration of war, (2) specific statutory authorization, or (3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.”

At this point in time they can do whatever the hell they want to us. At least to those who have applied, registered and submitted to become their chattel property, or to relinquish their rights in their ownership of their property over to the state by application, registration or just plain submission. (Yes MM redundancy)

Bend over I have a new deal for you. It is all voluntary, you make yourself subject, and hence responsible to the state for your actions. You brought it all upon yourselves and your children, by you guessed it, application, registration and submission.

Anyone want to sign up now? Hurry, become a PERSON today, this is limited time offer, as FRN’s may crash tomorrow… Call 1-800- upy-ours today, you MUST sign up now..

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As a foot note, the word MUST is used in its passive sense. Meaning MAY.

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Shaun....

If you are sovereign, im sure you carry a weapon?

you drive without licence and insurance and registration??

you live without social security?? do you still pay it?

you have filed your recission of citizenship to the secretary of commerce?

oh..

and you honestly think YOU in your sovereignty can mount 50 mm chain guns on top of your house or carry ounces of coccaine in your pocket?

and are you sovereign to the cop that arrests you??

or only to the judge?? after you have told him???

unless the cop on the street recognises your sovereignty, then you are nothing but a fool.

do you have diplomatic immunity????

come on seriously.

the fact is, if we are not ALL sovereign, THEN NO ONE REALLY IS.

-MT

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COUGH..... COUGH......

cough....

-MT

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Hay Zion, where the hell did you go? Come on back, lets play.

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Im still here.

-MT

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Your use of spacing is interesting to say the least. One sentence paragraphs are a nice touch. But I don’t see any sustenance to your writings. No links to docs or videos, no real written explanation of where you derive your theory. Show us the knowledge.

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We can't all just take your word for it after all.

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???

what?

what theory??

just spend a little TIME googling "the new deal" of 1933....

google sovereign citizen....

gesh...

Im not making this up..

and the first post... in this thread...

isnt written by me.

it was written by james trafficant.... on the floor of congress.

its in the congressional record.

its all true.

look it up.

the thing is....

if you embrace the system.... so to speak.

then you can access 10's of 1000's of dollars if not millions, via debt currency credit, and go and work in any kind of industry....

and if you fail.... its ok... bankruptcy.. and you go on.

they took away our rights. but they also got rid of the debters prison.

legit backruptcys dont result in jail time.

in this way.... we can .. or could.. borrow from satan so to speak...

and if it works out.. then great.

if not... satan can be forgiving.

that is why it will be so hard to change the system.

because the benefits outweight the losses.

or atleast it seems that way to the public.

you and I know better.

until the public knows better... nothing will happen, especially if we dont focus on the very stem of the PROBLEM... being states of emergency.

-MT

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good point on the benefits outweigh the losses MT.