"A Peaceful Revolution"... Killing Innocent Americ - The problem we find ourselves in right now is really just a symptom of a much greater illness. We are all spiritually ill. We've all become disconnected with who/what we're really supposed to be. Until there is a spiritual awakening, don't expect any c

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MM calls for a Peaceful Revolution and while I would love more than anything for that to happen, it will not. As time passes more and more Americans and others around the world die senselessly in war and in false flag attacks like the Omaha, and Colorado Shootings. It is also suspected that the shooting in California today was also a false flag attack.

In order to pass the homegrown terrorism act they must have a series of false flag attacks that will justify their actions. Now after several days CNN reports that there were online blogs showing that the shooter had mental issues. By showing this they are not only promoting the homegrown terrorism act but are also conditioning the public to turn anyone in that they may see questionable comments from online. After a person is turned in the state will take custody of that individual using those comments as evidence and they will never be seen again.

A Peaceful Revolution only prolongs the inevitable and makes it even harder for millions of families across our nation and around the world that have to deal with the senseless death of a family member all because the hippie's and flower children have grown up and want a peaceful revolution maaaan...!

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NR: there's an old saying that goes "if you want peace, prepare for war"

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I also remember a modified quote: If you want peace, prepare for peace.

An eye for an eye only ends up making a bunch of blind people. When will people see that we're all interconected. Violence itself never improves anything. The 'protective use of force' on the other hand is necessary to maintain life if such circumstances arise. Any actions taken motivated by 'punitive/punishment reasons' only serve to make things worse for all. Proven fact: it is more likely for those that have gone to prison, to go back to prison. Punitive justice obviously doesn't work; just look at our society. I am not surprised how some see violence as the only way, considering how backwards, twisted, and perverted our society is currently. How most are motivated day by day by a paycheck/money, the language we use with words like 'good' implying 'bad', 'right' implying 'wrong', 'should', 'deserve', and any label putting the infinite beauty of life into a static box (even as simple as labeling someone a 'republican' or 'democrat', ...or a cook, or banker..)(this also includes the violent verb 'to be', such as 'you are', 'he is'... implying moralistic judgements which lead to the violent system of rewards... for those that are 'good', and punishment for those that are 'bad'. This is opposed to a life-serving language that makes judgements based on universal human needs and values.).

Other little subtle sneaky things that only some are aware of, can twist minds to believing violence is the only way if they have not found other ways to meet their needs; for example our monetary system and how it is not backed by real value, and how most are confused by 'language' that they must be a slave and hand over their money for ~4 months out of the year. Ohh, look I used the word 'must' in the sentence above, that would lead people to think they have no choice, as well as other terms like 'I have to', 'the law says so', 'I'm just doing my job'. It is no wonder peoples brains are writhing in their skulls, angry at something, but so brainwashed they can't figure out what.

Not to mention all the products with chemicals in them from foods to the materials we build our shelters with, to how we 'supposedly' clean our water with, most of which we breathe too when the particles evaporate off the materials/products. Adhd, increase in autism, depression, on and on. If you're not on any tranquilizing medicine, even as simple as the processed chocolate bar, morning coffee, or evening drink and tv, I would feel suspicious if you aren't feeling angry. Many people are surrounded not by life, but dead objects: concrete, metal, plastic; not grass, trees, streams, happy animals we love.

The only thing we are truely slaves to while in this life is nature. If you work with it, happy days. If you fight it, pain. If you choose to be a slave to another man, whether another brother man called 'Jesus' (which could possibly have been a myth), or another by being motivated by life-alienating pseudo-needs like 'money', it is your choice.

To be truely free, one must be in harmony with nature, as it is the only thing we are truely dependent on. Do you eat orgainic, is your water clean, how's the air? If not, is it no wonder why young bucks are so deluded as to walk into schools/churches/etc. and shoot others?

A Peaceful Revolution by 'Boycott, Boycott, Boycott' to quote Ray, starves the Beast. It directly empowers those acting, and does not prolong but turn-the-tide. Those millions of families across our nation may have dealt with the senseless deaths of their own children, whether through suicide, shootings by another, or of innocent people half way around the world, a long time ago if they would just wake up from their drug induced slumbers(many vitamins, fast food, alcohol, tv, cosmetics, new toys, new cars, big houses, living to get money, plastic surgeries, latest designer clothes ... ) and reconnect to life.

Do things in harmony with nature.
Boycott; withdraw support powerfully and totally nonviolently.
Absolutely use the 'protective use of force' when no other option to sustain life or have dialogue.
Language is soooo important. Nonviolent Communication: A Language of Life. How would you like to to be called a 'Terrorist', 'Insurgent', or an indefinite 'Detainee'....
Peacefully there are millions of little ways to empower, and I mean empower yourself every day.

Free yourself and others.

I hear your anger.

Thanks for reading.

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Neo, I am not the only one who wants a peaceful resolution. Calls for anything else at this time I feel, is suicidal.

I agee with aa's statements completely. This forum has never advocated violence, but peaceful non-violence and boycotting! Just because you do not believe that it can be obtained this way dones not make you right, and, does not mean that it is a successful mode of operation!

I hold up Drl. Martin Luther King and Ghandi as examples of non-violent revolution. Boths of these were successful examples. While both men eventually paid with their lives, their movements were extremely successful.

Why do you appear to be covertly advocating a violent revolution? Most members on this form do NOT advocate this type of action for either the form or our membets.

Thanks aa, for your post. It was brillant as usual and expresses my sentiments completely.

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If my statements were covert in any way they were to covertly express my feeling regarding the blood on yours and anyone else's hands that does not take more of an action than holding signs.

How long does it have to take before you wake up and see the lives that are being lost around you because you choose not to take more action. Both Gentlemen were very good at what they did but it was only one step in the right direction. Because of these baby steps we are falling behind. For every baby step we take, thousands of people around the world have died because other actions were not taken to stop the movements of the enemy.

Harriet Tubman, other leaders of the underground railroad, Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, our founding fathers and the soldiers that fought beside them, and many others all started out with non-violent protests but while some chose violent means to an end all of them had to break the law at one time or another to make a significant change.

If you do not believe in violence that is fine but at least do more than hold a signand to talk to others. Resist or the belt will tighten.

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while nobody should seek a violent solution or initiate combat by any means at the same time we must prepare ourselves both mentally, physically and in every other way possible for what the government might unleash upon the innocent.

violence is never the answer but sometimes wars are thrusted on those who never wanted them. look at the war in iraq.

there's no crime against being prepared and protecting your families. i personally hope for a peaceful resolution and let's pray that one presents itself.

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"…whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive ... the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles … to effect their Safety and Happiness." - The "Other" Damn Piece of Paper

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How dare you assume the way you do NeoRayden!

My deceased husband, the political scientist, was born in Iraq and lived there for 9 years. Many of his family members still lived there. We know only too well how many innocent people have been killed. Many of these innocent people were family members.

The American people have no idea about what is happening in Iraq.

Please stop assuming and abusing others with your unsolicited advice.

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Have you checked out any militias in your area NRayden?

Violence is exactly what the Money Masters want you to do, because it makes you stand out like a sore red thumb, like a pop up head ready to be beat down with a rubber mallet. Getting awareness out helps in a couple ways: It informs and allows people to learn so they know what to do, especially if the shit gets thrown into the fan, and it gives them more powerful tools to use to not support those currently pulling the strings. One of the most powerful tools we all have, but some aren't aware of is Choice. What you support gets stronger, what you don't fades away with a trailing cry or silently. If I remember right, Aaron Russo at the end of his movie America: Freedom to Fascism, says something like, they can't do anything without our cooperation. That is so true. To do anything without someone elses cooperation is like dragging around a dead horse; sooner or later someone is going to drop it and move elsewhere.

Violence also gives the current string pullers a great reason to impose martial law. I once was working on a dangerous job helping install a water pipeline on a rocky hillside that was about a 45 degree angle+. Since it was for a small town out in the boonies we did not have high tech safety gear, or in most cases 0 at all. One day the 'boss' walks along the catwalk above, whille I'm trying to figure a good way to rig something, and he yells something like,'Come on, make it work, what are you doing' (you know, basically just using a verbal whip to drive the 'workers'). I said something that shocked him, 'Instead of just yelling and telling other people to work faster, why don't you help out and suggest a better way of doing it or work with me on it', or something to that effect. There was a forum poster in the past that would put some great info. on here about survival and tactical issues+. I learned much from his posts that I can now use in a bad situation.

People are burning inside to help and wake up from their slumbers, just as soon as they are offered a fun way that they are giddily willing to do. There are millions of simple things to do every second.

Ray mentioned there may be a time to take quiet action, and blend back into normal life. There is less of a paper trail than with a group of people that is easily spotted and captured.

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The problem we find ourselves in right now is really just a symptom of a much greater illness. We are all spiritually ill. We've all become disconnected with who/what we're really supposed to be. Until there is a spiritual awakening, don't expect any change.

Violence will not solve the problem. They are prepared for violence, in fact, they would like nothing more than for violence to erupt. This has been planned for, and they're ready for it. Any violence they will use to advance their agenda. Since they're having a hard time getting us to react violently, they manufacture their own violence, like with these false flag attacks.

Now, the thing they are REALLY afraid of, is a spiritual and intellectual awakening. This is why they went to great lengths to capture Ed & Elaine nonviolently. They were afraid not of the violent response to taking Ed & Elaine by force, but to the spiritual/intellectual awakening that would have resulted.

So what is the answer to all? I personally believe it's an individual thing. No "group" effort or revolution will fix it. No Ron Paul, as much as I like him, in office is going to fix it. There's no easy fix. It's going to be a slow and grueling effort to "set brushfires in" the hearts and minds. If enough brushfires can be set, then everything will go up in flames, and our solution will be realized.

I am completely nonviolent. But, do you think I advocate surrendering your arms, or surrendering your bodies, or surrendering your friends/family? Absolutely not. When/if the time comes, and you are faced with choices, you're going to have to make them. It's going to have to be an individual choice. I can't tell you what to do in every situation. I don't know what I would do in every situation.

But let it be clear that this website, and Ed & Elaine, do NOT advocate violence in any way. Self-defense is entirely different from violence. The bad guys know this, which is why they were so careful to make sure Ed & Elaine couldn't defend themselves.

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Thank you for your post Shaun. It shows great maturity and wisdom.

I agree with all you have said.

I also feel that the mall, and the two recent shootings in Colorado could very well be part of some kind of mind control program that MK-Ultra are supposed to be running. God knows what goes on in Langley!

When you see 800 "FEMA Camp sites that are now referbished and waiting.......one has to ask what or who are they waiting for?

While I too do not wait for a "Saviour" such as Ron Paul, I relate to his love of the people, country and the Constitution as/and the rule of law. Regardless of win loose or draw, he has educated the people. All of their calling him crazy has gone by the wayside because of his learned and unrehearsed responses. You will notice, during the debates, that the other candidates look down and start fiddling with "stuff" at their podiums when he is answering. They don't know how to deal with his integrity.

To covertly, or by inuendo, suggest that people take up arms right now, I feel, would only put the movement back decades. To accuse someone who does not agree with you of not being abreast of what is happening in the world right now is irresponsible and not worthy of the tollerence level that has always been shown on this forum.

Ed and Elaine only advocated self defence. They are non-violent people. The mad man picture that the media painted of Ed was protection for the marshalls in case one of them did get trigger happy and kill them. God knows they did come with incredible force on June 7th, was that just a show of force? If it was meant to frighten the people, I think it backfired and more and more people are now asking what has happened that this type of thing can happen in America against two law abiding citizens who were asking to be shown a law!

If one can not see what a threat, Ron Paul, Ed and Elaine, Aaron Russo, RBN and sites such as this are to the establishment that is their own blindness, and, not factually correct. The more the establishment becomes nervous the more we win. I am convienced that more and more people are joinging us daily.

The spiritual bankrupsy is due to the old divide and conquer tactic. It is o.k. to slaughter brown skinned people such as Iraqis. Just as it was O.k. during the Vietnam war to call those people gooks, now they call them rag tops. When we come to really believe that they is no sparation that is when we will see peace.

I feel, boyotting, non violent civil disobedene are our best options right now. We are not the only patriots who are working to remove this scourge from the government. We will prevail, of that I am sure!

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Shaun is correct. a violent outburst would give them the leverage they need to enact laws to not only disarm the innocent masses, but to also deem anyone who stands up in opposition "terrorists". Ron paul saw this threat over 30 years ago. He knew what ed, elaine, shaun and the rest of us know now: that a government that is left unchecked can and will turn tyrannical in a blink of an eye. We must try for a peaceful resolution and ron paul is the answer. we must restructure the government within the guidelines of the constitution.

The government wants the majority of it's people to remain in darkness in ref to the corruption within washington dc but now so many people are sick and tired of the government and the way they are running things. intelligence is their enemy. why else do you think the media is keeping so much in the dark? if the people knew the truth they would go crazy.

it isn't wrong or unlawful to prepare for the worst. it is our right as citizens to protect our families.

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I watched the Democrat nominees today and it was, for me, a lack luster debate.

There was one thing that Joe Biden said when he was being interviewed with Wolfe Blitzer of CNN. I am paraphrasing here but he was talking about improving our educational system, that we needed an educated populace to read and understand our Constitution.

I could not applaud that sentiment more. There has been a tremendous dumbing down of the population and I think one of the most non violent things we can do is educate the people about their rights, the constitution and the fact that in order to maintain a democratic republic all of us need to stay constantly involved!

I also feel that Ed, Elaine Brown and their four supporters are six of our greatest educators right now. They are educating us with their actions and that is one of the most impressive forms of enlightening others. Most can not help but be moved by their selflessness, determination and sacrifices that they are prepared to make in order to "educate their countrymen and women."