Do not obey any Cop who can not handle his marijuana! - Strokerace: i do agree with you that not all government personnel are evil. right now alot of good cops are quitting because of all the police brutality going on and their superiors' refusal to do anything about it. alot of these folks just want to be edu

**Member** Joined: Jun 12, 2007 Posts: 3128

Be disobedient to any cop who has no idea what he is doing with a batch of marijuana brownies!

For one of the best laughs you will have all week go to YouTube, click videos, and type in Marijuana Overdose, sit back and enjoy, you deserve a laugh. Plus it is good medicine.

Now really folks do we have any need to be afraid of the police.........we have the brain power and we can outsmart them any day of the week!

Geezus.......................have a brownie and give up your fear!

**Member** Joined: Jun 12, 2007 Posts: 3128

For whatever reason I now associate any kind of enforcement with civil disobedience.

My mind keeps going back to Carol Ann Gutbaum and her death in Phoneix Airport Arport last week.

The question that won't stop running in my head is why was a distressed woman left alone in handcuffs in a holding cell while seven (7) police officers were in the security office?

Does that not strike you as a little overkill for a woman who weighed approximately 105 lbs..............7 to 1? It would be interesting to learn how many security offices were on duty that day. What was happening at these security guards posts while they were conferring in the security office?

I really hope that the Gutbaum investigate this to the end and leave no stone unturned.

**Member** Joined: Jul 02, 2007 Posts: 614

i don't trust cops period. my family has been harassed by the police for several years and all of these cops beating on kids and the elderly just adds to it. i personally believe that all school kids, their families and supporters should hold anti-police rallies in response to the police's inability to bring charges on these security guards. it'd be a nice touch if everyone was wearing shirts that said "F*CK THE POLICE!"

Newbie Joined: Oct 08, 2007 Posts: 4

Just like the government, this site has banned me before for asking questions. One of the things in another forum talks about educating people like myself; however, if a question is asked that is not an addendum to an onslaught of derogatory name calling - a person is automatically accused of being a government troll, which is ridiculous - sticks and stones. Instead of embracing and encouraging questions - people are pushed away....such behavior is no better than those you all claim to detest. Instead of receiving education here, it is more a compilation of 10-15 people who pat each other on the back everyday with each post. Such posts are typically laden with eloquent and childish name calling. One post will say we don't advocate violence....the next people are stocking up on .223 ammo for World War III. One post will say we have to have laws...the next will say all enforcement is tantamount to disobedience. Like it or not, CNN or any other media outlet is not going to work in your favor if posts such as what is historically written here continue - especially if it is just a clubhouse mentality. How do you know a CNN representative does not check this site out from time to time...or that I work for CNN? Your all minnows in a sea of sharks and last time I checked, if you bitch slap a shark, your gonna get bit. You will never gain the numbers in your cause until you all start educating on your forums. Your attempts at humiliation with bans by posting a baby monkey head is no different than that of what you think anyone is doing to Ed or Elaine Brown.....by sending messages to those you want in your inner circle that your in charge. "Submit to our name calling ways or you get the monkey head" = which, effects a person for all of about 3 seconds. How are you going to educate people on here about Ed and Elaine Brown through forum discussions? Is this going to occur....or are the same people just going to come up with new slants and name calling? So I come on here to learn about taxation....instead...its all about hating police and government and this and that....everyone on here is such a smarty pants yet no one wants to discuss anything....just accuse us measly citizens who question what making a stand is all about. I will bet my lifes salary that Ed Brown is just fine - so his info isn't updated on an internet engine. You all like to tell people to think, well THINK FOR YOURSELF - is the messages your conveying doing more harm or good for your cause.?. All it has done is pushed me away as well as several others....I mean really....look at the big donations you have for a defense fund....1 lousy cent. In the words of Don Corleone....your all part of the same hypocrisy. So...go ahead...give me the monkey head....JD whatever go ahead with your name calling....Johnny82 you too....MarionMaid make yourself believe you belong to something...but until you get over it....maybe...just maybe....you might inspire someone rather than push them away. Ahmed...your always reasonable....am I wrong or am I wrong?

Newbie Joined: Jun 14, 2007 Posts: 73

To Strokerace: One thing we all know is that it isn't a perfect world and most forums are a reflection of that. I do agree with the fact that some of the threads do contain a bit of what may appear to be "patting on the back", I think in many cases this is just human nature and well-intended mutual support. Often the posts are somewhat redundant, again I think this has to do with human nature, much like a conversation at a table and different people will say much the same as has already been said just to confirm that they agree.
Not everyone is motivated by the same thing and of course not everyone reacts in the same way. Because of the many facets of the tax issue (often associated with martial law, NWO, Iraq, obviously corrupted government,,,,) it has a way of touching on some people's emotions (mine included). Obviously those who post regularly are really wrapped up in it, it is quite likely that there are personal reasons that this is such a hot topic for them. I think the longer a person is aware of what our government (and other governments) is doing, the more frustrated one can become. Frustration is often followed by anger. At times someone new posts something and for those who are "more seasoned" with information about the government the posts can be annoying. In many cases the person posts asking questions or making statements that seem ridiculous to those already deep in the subject. At times a person posts something and they show their true colors clearly in the first post (totally supportive of the government), which makes regular posters wonder what they are even doing here, sometimes it is assumed that they only came here to make trouble.
Which brings me to the obvious questions: Under what name did you write on this forum before? You have said that others called you names, I think it is a bit unfair to throw this statement out there without saying what name you posted under before. I am not going to say that noone said some unkind words to you but without saying who you were your mention of this has no validity. I am curious about what you posted before because I think for the most part people have been quite fair to others.

Regarding your statements about not educating people:
There has been a lot of information put on this forum to educate people. I have to admit for someone who was not here months ago it may be difficult to locate all the discussions directly related to the tax laws. Maybe these threads from months ago that got deep into this should be easier to locate for a "newbie". I do not agree with your statement about a lack of educational info being available here. There are many links put up and many posts which clearly state where people can bring themselves up to speed with this issue.

Regarding your statements about conflicting views concerning violence:
Not everyone agrees on whether violence is ok or not. Many do not feel comfortable to write about it, and writing about it may be detrimental to the Brown's (and if done incorrectly, could be considered illegal). Other writers here (like many Americans) think that we will eventually have little choice in the matter, they will fight to defend their freedoms and rights. Some people are hoping for the best but preparing for the worst, this would account for discussions about militia, weapons,,,,,,. As far as I know, we have the right to discuss these issues, in fact according the founding fathers it is our obligation to be prepared to defend our rights and to defend them if necessary.

Regarding your statements regarding people talking but not taking action:
What makes you think that someone who writes about freedom on the internet does only that? I would suppose that some of the people who write here do other things that they don't write about. Clearly some of them are active within the constraints of the system (making phone calls, writing letters), it is quite likely that this is not all that they do. People write here for different reasons,,, one being to wake up others, this is an important activity. Your statements generalizing the writers as not taking action is unfounded.

It only makes sense that your post should have included the name you originally posted under so those you have accused of treating you malicously can look at your posts and their answers to your posts.

**Member** Joined: Jul 02, 2007 Posts: 614

Strokerace: This world will never be perfect and to seek perfection is a fool's errand. We all say and do things that others will not or do not agree with. If you read several posts on this forum then you'll see websites and links posted on them which can educate you on what is happening and what is to come. If you want a real educational tool, buy "endgame" by alex jones. We are all here for different reasons and purposes but we all seek the same results. I never considered it to be a crime to give allies and brothers and sisters in arms words of encouragement, given the government's actions and lack of reason in making decisions i believe encouragement does assist in the darkest of times. When you have policemen and women who are supposed to protect the people and yet they assault children and the elderly, it makes you wonder what shred of the constitution is left?

Now in reference to calls of violence: Some people here do believe violence is the answer due to everything the government is conducting behind closed doors and some people don't agree with that view. Being prepared is key especially during these troubled times and to speak of armed insurrection against the government is what they want. The government wants a reason to take away your rights and freedoms and right now they're showing us how badly they want to acheive this. Currently the government is trying to systematically strip all citizens of their second amendment rights starting with veterans. When the sovereignty of your nation is fading away before your eyes then you know that maintaining security for yourself and your family is key, especially considering the current economic situation.

I don't know what i said to you or who you are but what i do know is this: we are facing the greatest battle of our lives. Everything is on the line and i don't think anyone here is being inactive.

Newbie Joined: Oct 08, 2007 Posts: 4

Nathan Hale and Johnny82:

Okay - reasonable answers, that, in the frame in which you discuss them - makes more sense to me. And...your both right - there are links within and without for educational purposes - so I am big enough to insert sock into mouth. And while I understand people have different reasons for being here - I would suppose many posts would be clear enough to know who is a real trouble maker and I have yet to really see anything like that. There have been some innocent education seekers though, like the guy whose IP address and personal information was splattered all over for everyone to see...and I was of the opinion that he was merely trying to discuss something and he was instantly branded a troll...and was punished without any right to defend himself....he either got in trouble for using a work computer or was just some vet seeking info. I hope your all able to really see my point - in that hatred breeds violence, and while many may possibly seek that in their lives and/or cause, it is important to respect those who do not too. I totally get and understand where anyone comes from, I just happen to believe the incessant name calling and hatred is a bit much sometimes. I am not of the opinion that all employees of any local, state or federal government are evil. Some may disagree...I just wanted to express my opinion that it really may not sit well with others. Look - I am not on here to cause sparks...I am a low key guy - but I think I stand by what I say, and anyone, in retrospect, can look back on a post and think of a better way to write it - myself included. So - with that - I will gracefully bow out of this particular discussion and go on to others........

And strokerace means nothing...I just happened to think of the corny movie at the time with Burt Reynolds....no secret link to anything. Thank you for being respectful and articulate in your response to me.

**Member** Joined: Jul 02, 2007 Posts: 614

Strokerace: i do agree with you that not all government personnel are evil. right now alot of good cops are quitting because of all the police brutality going on and their superiors' refusal to do anything about it. alot of these folks just want to be educated about the situation at hand. Sherry Jackson believed in the IRS and thought that the income tax applied to manual labor and because of a simple contest to present the law that states that labor is taxable she saw the truth: there is nothing in the tax code or on the books that states this. look up a guy on here named data. he's a attorney and if you go to his websites www.noconfidence.com and www.tocongress.com you can read about the law and learn what case law states that income taxes cannot be charged in reference to labor.