Despite censorship, news wildfire reveals growing revolution - http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=39605 Szandor Blestman October 6, 2007 I was on a radio program with Ed and Elaine the day before they were arrested. Elaine was a kind and gracious host. She thank

Newbie Joined: Jul 31, 2007 Posts: 9

I hated for something like this to be my first post... But I'm having a hard time taking it seriously now.

I've been following this situation from the begining, and have been asking myself over and over: If these people are for real, why aren't they counter-attacking? Why isn't anyone shooting back? Just keep getting 'arrested' until there's no one left? When do we finally do what the URL says, and make a stand already?

Why should I pack up my ammo and firearms just to come stand around and wait to get arrested? I want to support this cause in the only real and useful way there is: I WANT TO SHOOT BACK!

Our People are already assaulted and falsely imprisoned. Now what, stand around and let them do it to more?

"...and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."

"I know not what course others may take, but as for me..."

Do you even know where these quotes came from? Are you good at reading and writing, but fail to take action?

Organize a raid on a roadblock, Countersniper, take a few prisoners of your own and trade them back, etc... Do SOMETHING besides post messages on a web forum and pretend that it's useful.

WE ARE ALREADY AT WAR, START ACTING LIKE IT OR BE WIPED OUT!

Initiate Joined: Jun 20, 2007 Posts: 430

These trolls are really laying it on thick, aren't they?

Yeah, just speak up, tell us your plans for criminal activity, put your head in the noose. Make it easy for the feds.

If anyone wants to do something, just do it. You don't need a crowd to witness you do something heroic. You don't need people to brag to or to make excuses to or to commiserate with. The one thing the opposition truly fears is the idea of people acting independently.

Newbie Joined: Jul 31, 2007 Posts: 9

Ahmed wrote:

These trolls are really laying it on thick, aren't they?

Yeah, just speak up, tell us your plans for criminal activity, put your head in the noose. Make it easy for the feds.

If anyone wants to do something, just do it. You don't need a crowd to witness you do something heroic. You don't need people to brag to or to make excuses to or to commiserate with. The one thing the opposition truly fears is the idea of people acting independently.

1)I am not a troll

2)I'm trying to justify helping a cause that refuses to help itself.

3)They may fear it, but WE are far more effective as a group. That's how the Federales operate, as a group, for a reason: it works.

Start out weak; use the fundraiser to put a bounty on Monier's and McAulliffe's heads.

You can't stop this sort of people any other way. And you know it.

You have chosen to fail, and I do not board a ship that is being scuttled.

Site Admin Joined: Apr 03, 2007 Posts: 580

You're free to do whatever you want. Just don't get us and this website entangled with it. If people want to join you -- that's your business and theirs.

Just know that we don't advocate attacks like this. We don't support or condone any violence.

As for making the stand -- you can be sure that is what Ed & Elaine will do -- they won't be taken alive off to the jails.

Whether you're a troll or not, I do actually like the idea of trading prisoners Laughing

Newbie Joined: Jun 14, 2007 Posts: 73

Hey camo, maybe you should post an email address (even if you set up a temporary one) for other like-minded individuals to contact you just in case you are banned. There have been others who have come to this forum writing similar things and they may want to contact you. It isn't likely that you will get many people to incriminate themselves on this forum but if you want to then maybe you should find others who do. I suppose you may want to find a more discreet way to communicate. I would suggest carrier pigeon, since all other forms are vulnerable to snooping. Maybe the other people who have written this kind of thing on this forum are not so far away from you anyway,,,, could be just a matter of turning your head towards someone else in the same room.

I am curious about your opening statement; "having a hard time taking it seriously now". Could you explain what brought about that decisive moment when you changed from taking it seriously to it becoming difficult to take seriously?

I wish only good comes from whatever any of you do. Have a good day.

Initiate Joined: Jun 23, 2007 Posts: 259

The Feds can murder people in Ruby Ridge and in Waco.

The government can massacre people in Jonestown. Bomb them in Okla. City and New York.

and walk away scott free. NO CHARGES!

I'm for self-defense!

That's all the hell the government wants is an excuse to murder the rest of us.

For now - the TRUTH - is the best defense that we have!

**Member** Joined: Jun 12, 2007 Posts: 3128

There are many, many ways to take a stand. Taking up arms is only one of them. It is not necessarily the smartest or best way to fight against opressors either. We have critical mass working in our favor now and those who stood alone before are not standing alone now.

The press has depicted Ed Bown as saying he was going to use violence against anyone who came onto his property to harm either of them. He was talking strickly about self defense. Ed and Elaine do not promote violence. None of us want to see the U.S. Marshals or other law enforsement harmed either. In fact most of them know that there is no law and are sick about what they are being asked to do here.

How can any law abiding citizen stand by and watch as "they" haul them off to jail for five years, having been convicted with a non law? That is allowing America to become a police state. We believe in the rule of law. It is the responsibility of the American people to be sure that the "authorities" obey the rule of law also. That we intend to do.

I am amazed that this scam has gone on for so many years. But when one reads the history of the IRS and their sheer brutality against American citizens you find the answer.

I, for one, am glad that this site does not advocate violence. That is what the IRS have been doing for approximately 90 years now. We do not need to use their example to succeed. Their slogan chould be "We have nothing to USE but fear itself." We the people are no longer afraid of you, it is extremely important that you understand this and act accordingly.

We know the truth about what you have done, and we are angry that the IRS, a private corporation out of Puerto Rico has been allowed to abuse Americian citizens. Americans will not live in fear...........we come from strong independent stock that demands freedom, nothing less.

The best non violent way, for me, is to talk to everyone I know about the illigal income tax and direct them to this site. Everyone has the right to choose whether they will continue to pay this tax or not. What do you think would happen if eveyone stopped paying their income tax this year? Everything starts as an idea and then it is manifested, I believe this will be a reality within the next five years.

Sooner or later the simple question SHOW US THE LAW must be answered......if they can not answer this question as they have not done for years......then they must cease all harrassment of non tax payers. They will have to accept the fact of what the form itself says that it is voluntary. Those who wish to continue paying income taxes will and those who don't won't.

Hopefully we will have gotten rid of the Federal Reseve too and started to create our own money as our Constitution decrees. The need for this tax, which is to pay the interest to the international banksters, will be eliminated. Nothing less is good enough for us and nothing less will be accepted by us.

Recruit Joined: Sep 14, 2007 Posts: 140

Personally, I think a multi-tier approach is best.
Pocketbook, enforcement, information, elect, elite, and monetary

We need to just stop paying the income taxes, period.
As well as the thinly veiled taxes in the form of fines, fees, and licences. (pocketbook)

Then we should make it very clear that state and federal retaliation for not paying illegal taxes will NOT be tolerated. If lives are threatened, they should have protection at hand. Be prepared in the unlikely circumstance of civil war.(enforcement)

The information we gather needs to be made common public knowledge, not just easily accessed, but also probably advertised.
This information will constantly be maligned by both sheep and wolves, so it needs to be organized, clear, concise, easily understood and referenced, and above all, hard to destroy. --If this site mysteriously has "server error" all the time, an alternative should be ready to go--
Also, we need to get a firm grip on the out of control media. They could end up doing the most damage if allowed to keep spitting their venomous opinions all over what could have been legitimate news. (information)

We should put INSANE pressure on our current politicians to repeal tax laws and outlaw the IRS. Flood them with letters, phone calls, protests, and
e-mails. Make it a point to become well known to local city councils, mayors, and sheriffs. They need to know this is not going to go away, and we are no longer asking politely. Corruption and power abuse are to be punished severely, and excessive fines, licenses and fees are no longer going to be honored as it is lucrative revenue. Free speech will be used, protesting peacefully had better be treated as such, cameras and press do not need to be have permission or licenses from local governments. Taxing someone for owning a home is not going to fly anymore. Taxing through the utility bill will lose you your position.Sheriffs should be made swear to protect their citizens from illegal threats by federal government, and local government. What schools teach will be decided by the parents, vouchers should be given to homeschool parents. (elect)

The elite, those that used this regime to fill their pockets for so long, and hide it from the public, should be made to leave with the just the clothes on their backs. This is so they know what its like to have everything including your freedom taken away for unjust causes. For now, be content with exposing and embarrassing them. (elite)

And the simplest and hardest of all, bury the means of enslavement. The Dollar must die. Begin a monetary system based on true value, and not debt. (monetary)

I admit I am a pessimist, the glass is cracked. I hope to be wrong, but I do not expect an awakening. But my consternations do not release me of my obligations as a servant first and foremost to God, and second to my fellow man.

Lastly, all pastor and true believers listen, since when did Jesus timidly approach money changers? To HELL (and I mean that) with allowing government fear to interfere with your message, and the truth. Do not allow unGodly tax penalties to dictate your stance. To do anything less is sin.

Newbie Joined: Jun 18, 2007 Posts: 91

I like to know how many people on this group, Dont pay there federal income tax..
I dont and havn't paid since I was enlisted.
ITs like Alex jones, always screaming about the movement, but he pays his taxes. He supports Ron Paul, buy is register a dem, so how can he really support Ron Paul when he wont be able to vote for him in the primaries ?

Site Admin Joined: Apr 03, 2007 Posts: 580

I think it's quite well-known that I don't pay. I have no qualms whatsoever about admitting it. In fact -- I'm quite proud Smile

I'm not funding global terrorism by supporting the central bankers!

Newbie Joined: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 77

Fear has made the lot of you [on "both" sides] blind to the fact that the violence, the threats, the calls to arms, the screams of treason are already underway. For each incident you manage to become aware of via the net or media, there are a thousand or more such confrontations every day- only heavy researchers & those affected are knowledgeable of just how prevalent is the abuse! There are thousands of political prisoners like the supporters of Ed & Elaine! No one tazes me! Were it not for "interesting" stats or the drama of Laredo & Cananea, few would know of the Shooting Border Wars in Tx, NM, or AZ. Can anyone sit at a cafe safely when a Border Patrol Agent sipping coffee is a $300,000.00 cartel target? When any local marshal's head can bring $15,000.00? When local BP/ICE agents let us know where to find pot bales, and suggest we can rent their 2000+ sq ft homes for less than $500/month- within walking distance to the border? Oh, yeah, "fringe benefits!" That generates very deep resentments. Those who know the reality of the corruption have no fear of "Calling them out" Tombstone style- so ignore the provocation word games here, the SPOOKS: dare to call it treason, dare to carry guns, and join those already using them to enforce the peace and the Constitution, naming traitors names and pointing fingers. The best defense is a great offense. All feds are invited to Tombstone's HELLDORADO in October; the REAL VIGILANTEES are among the theatrical- just play cowboy and find out who & how many are ready to be "your huckleberry"! Think: if Feds are being cut down [Lively Green, Deadwood Operations], will they let the news say so? No! But They are falling rapidly; the people must harvest a few more rotten apples now, daily, before harvest time, for then, all hands will be very busy. Time wasted means more LIVES & Liberty LOST, and its time we lost no more liberty nor lives, so those who seem to still be bafffled [here] by debate may soon be deafened by the second amendment's exercise. THAT IS THE SOUND OF OUR RESPONSE TO TREASON- not mere words. Not an impeachment or a "court ritual". We will accept nothing less than UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER From the Feds chosing to serve a TREASONOUS government.-They are now subject to Instant Karma, eh? We surround them, not the other way. Tens of millions of guns can't be all wrong. When Capone falls, the least of his jackboots goes with him. Rolling Eyes

Initiate Joined: Jun 20, 2007 Posts: 430

Teslason-- you're more or less in a war zone. Shit happens in war zones. It's more peaceful elsewhere in the country, so different tactics are needed.

I don't know if Camosoul was another provocateur or if he was simply naive. Did you look at the terrain the marshals selected as a roadblock? There were almost certainly snipers there, just in case.

I've known several murderers. The most common reason for getting caught is that they gave no thought to disposal of the corpse. For example, a couple of teenagers killed someone over a stupid argument concerning drug prices. So they saw the body up with a power saw. OK so far... Then they put the pieces in some garbage bags & leave them at the curb. BAD idea. The garbage truck comes along, and the collectors say, "Hm, this is heavy. Is that an arm I see sticking out?"

The second most common reason is that they couldn't keep their mouths shut. Just gotta tell someone. So let's say you're a petty criminal, and you're looking at a charge that could send you to prison for 5 years. Guess what? It'll all go away if you finger the murderer.

There is no strategy in random violence based on emotions. It doesn't solve anything; rather it causes more problems.

I'm going to start a series of messages on Simon Bolivar in the militia forum. Bolivar was one of the most successful revolutionaries in history. Anyone who is serious about a military approach to the problems we face needs to study some history and see how it was done in the past. There are many lessons to be learned.

Newbie Joined: Jul 31, 2007 Posts: 9

I thought I'd leave this alone for a while and see where you took it.

When did I fail to take it seriously?

With so many who acknowledge that war is already upon us, yet still do not condone violence. Violence is already visited upon us, and playing about within a system owned, operated, and made defective by the enemy is the ultimate in defective circular logic.

I did note the terrain. I also am not foolish enough to think that the snipers hadn't been there before any official presence was ever noted. I am also aware of the fact that snipers show up on thermal imaging..... If the roadbloack is there 24x7x365.... The snipers are the most vulnerable of the bunch when the sun goes down. Take the snipers first. Or, just make a run of it and don't stop... Hard to make a kill at 500+ yards on a moving target. I know this from experience.

The knowledge that war is already upon us, and the continued refusal to fight back, is insanity. You have already conceded defeat. You already know that 'the system' is owned by the enemy, that it serves nothing but their purposes. We already know that this incursion has been sponsored without any lawful/decent backing. Hello? I guess you won't do anything until they roadblock your driveway too?

I jsut keep asking, what are you waiting for? Another Waco? Why wait for the inevitable when you can take the offensive and at least rob them of their advantages in planning the onslaught.

This is already a matter of tactical force; because 'they' are plotting it and have been for a very long time. Continuing to believe that you have other options is lunacy.

Dead men have no Rights. The dicision to kill you has already been made. The act of doing so has already been practiced. How many times will you beg for reason and mercy from a body which has proven to have neither? A fact that you already admit, yet still cast yourself before the throne by engaging in the fantasy that 'this time, it'll be different.'

Why not just plagiarize Patrick Henry's speach? We already know that there is only one avenue left to us. Yet clinging to the delusive phantom of hope is continued....

No. I don't take that seriously. Promoting a known and admitedly defective course of (in)action is the cancer that still pervades even this supposed bastion of freedom.

It's your State. I live quite literally on the opposite end of the country. Start shooting, and I'll back my brothers up. But if you can't be bothered to take responsibility for your own backyard, why should I? If you don't care about yourself, why should I? If I'm going to stand alone defending YOU who are too self-righteous to lift a finger in your own defense; why me? The answer is, I won't.

If you want the armed and ready individuals/militias to back you up, show us you actually mean to do more than be steamrolled; again. You're doing nothing more than commit a protest suicide so far. Have you really given up?

When they come, it will be in the daylight; when their backup is most effective and difficult to counter. Or, you can take them on your terms and, just maybe, have a chance.

A sniper's weakness is his thermal signature. Crawling slowly and just sitting in one spot makes it impossible to hide IR. Spot em, tag em, pop em.

Or just go turn yourselves in. Really, if you believe in all these other options you suggest, why have a standoff at all? If these other methods are so effective, why have they never worked before? Why do you cling to them? Do you not realize the idiocy of your position yet, even when so outlined in your own logic and words?

If all of these other options work, why have we come to this point? If they were effective, why didn't they ever have an effect BEFORE NOW in the many times employed? I don't know how to make it clearer without being ridiculously redundant. You're clinging to a dead hope, and denying the reality that surrounds you.

Have 4 others not already been charged with conspiracy? Is there ANYTHING we can do that won't be construed as such anyway? We already have these answers. Who cares? No matter what we say or don't say, they'll invent something to charge us with, to the last man.

Ed and Elaine still stand alone, because none here have vowed to do what they have.

**Member** Joined: Jul 02, 2007 Posts: 614

nonviolence at this point is the best way to fight these fools. initating armed combat will only get yourself killed and will allow the shit to hit the fan for all of your friends and associates. combat should always be a last resort. planning and preparing for a worse case scenerio is always a excellent idea but do it within the perameters of the law, don't give the feds a reason to kick the door in. in the event they do and the charges are baseless or bogus, a simple lawsuit for slander and false arrest will help them change their tune.

ed and elaine brown vowed to be nonviolent in their stance against this illegial law and the tyrannical regime trying to enforce a law that they cannot present. we saw what happened at ruby ridge and waco. we saw the feds and us marshals murder innocent people and get by with it. a us marshal shot a 14 year old boy in the back and a sniper shot a mom holding her baby daughter. no charges have every been filed against them. we've seen what happens when you give the government a reason to trump up charges. we all know what we're doing. be calm and patient.

Recruit Joined: Sep 14, 2007 Posts: 140

#1 rule of national poker
Be patient.

Newbie Joined: Jun 18, 2007 Posts: 91

I hear this question alot.
"why doesn't somebody make the first move against the govenment so we can fight?"
my answer is to that question is.
"What are you waiting for"

I'm not going to address the Ed browns theory, cause he has made it very clear. But for the rest of you with itchy fingers, Are you a leader or a follower? If you want to start a war, go do it. But stop asking for somebody else to kick it of for you.
I fully believe its crunchtime, and I said this before.

I this note, I bet tim mcvay thought he was about to kick it off. Where were you then? Where were you at ruby ridge? Where were you at Waco. Watching TV? Being a armchair patriot?

Recruit Joined: Sep 14, 2007 Posts: 140

I'm not going to address the Ed browns theory, cause he has made it very clear. But for the rest of you with itchy fingers, Are you a leader or a follower? .

Neither. I prefer to wait for the play to begin so I can appear from nowhere and sucker punch the quarter-back. But if you want to start the play, by all means go for it.

Initiate Joined: Jun 20, 2007 Posts: 430

Camosoul is beginning to interest me. What are you going to use to detect "thermal signatures"? This can be done from the air, but it's not that easy on the ground. MSA makes a product called "Thermal Enforcer" that will do the job--if you're close enough. But by the time you get that close, the sniper or his observer would have tapped you a couple of times.

As it turned out, the snipers at the roadblock were on a small hill further down the road. I noticed by the way the cars were parked that they couldn't have targeted people from across the field, and later others who were at the roadblock confirmed--they called it "sniper hill." Makes sense to look to the high ground first.

The CIA has a term of art: "dying by the measles." It describes a death by natural causes that occurs at a convenient time. I suppose we could pray that people die by the measles. Amazing how effective prayer can be...

**Member** Joined: Jul 02, 2007 Posts: 614

Camo intrigues me as well ahmed. he makes me think back to vietnam. the VC made us fight them on their terms, not ours. they prevailed because shifted the rules in their favor. they knew the military's strengths and weaknesses and exposed them, making america look like fools in the process.

camo is right. how does any of us expect the militia to assist us when we are not doing anything ourselves? camo perhaps you could share with us your military background since you stated that you have expertise in that field.

ahmed: you could always invest in a thermal imaging scope.

Newbie Joined: Jul 31, 2007 Posts: 9

I have never been in the military, or any police force. I will not serve the enemy of Freedom, ever.

My experience is thusly difficult to reveal... Sorry. I know you'll enjoy jumping on my back and saying I am making it all up because I'm not coming out with it. Consider this a pre-emptive "I don't care what you say, I know what I know."

Super-accurate thermal imaging isn't needed. All you need is a general area of a few dozen square feet to drop mortars on.... Mortars are more easily made than most any other improvised projectile munition, and very underestimated. Very effective against snipers deployed in this fashion, because you can counter them without line of sight. Your typical 60mm mortar tube can drop 30-60 munitions on the position in 1-2 minutes at a range of 1.5 miles average; and you're not in line of sight for them to shoot back at you, and you have the reach advantage... 2-3 tubes you now have 2-3 times the craters at the target site. Back it up more, and take the roadblock from an even further position in the same fashion...

It makes no sense to operate within the confines of the enemy's rules when you are fighting that enemy.... You're choosing to work within a system that has stacked the deck and loaded the dice.

BTW, way to go defending Ed and Elaine from being taken captive. Can I count on such a large turnout of defenders for myself? How can I NOT make such a sarcastic and insulting statement? I'm insulted by all of you so-called patriots who have done nothing yet expect brothers across the nation to join in, what, doing more nothing? I'm not into sharing a bed with your delusive phantom of hope.

Nonviolence does not work against violence. Pull your head out of the sand. It is already upon you. Acknowledge this and act accordingly, or be steamrolled as this group has been.

If you don't use phone lines and electricity, it does the enemy no good to cut them off.

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Maintaining independence makes you invulnerable to having your dependencies cut off; because you don't have any.

Newbie Joined: Oct 06, 2007 Posts: 23

Shaun wrote:

As for making the stand -- you can be sure that is what Ed & Elaine will do -- they won't be taken alive off to the jails.

Anyone know if E&E are still alive?

Initiate Joined: Jun 20, 2007 Posts: 430

Quote:

Anyone know if E&E are still alive?

I posted this elsewhere, but it's worth reposting:

http://bop.gov/iloc2/LocateInmate.jsp
Elaine Brown: 03924-049
Ed Brown: 03923-049

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Camosoul: A mortar bomb can be made from a shotgun shell (as propellant), some explosive material shaped as either a shaped charge or surrounded by shrapnel, and a fuse that is either restrained with a spring or a shear pin (so it won't detonate when launched). The Vietnamese used something like this when Chinese supplies were not available.

It is legal for us to exchange that sort of information. It is not legal to incite violence. We can speak historically, hypothetically, abstractly, etc. But if someone actually starts encouraging people to commit crimes, he becomes a "heat score" -- a person who attracts the attention of law enforcement types. I've always found it to be a good policy to avoid such people, especially since they are the first to want to make a deal with the cops.

As far as protecting the Browns--Ed wasn't the easiest guy to work with. If it had simply been a question of protecting Elaine, things would have gone differently.

Recruit Joined: Jul 03, 2007 Posts: 237

it says ed is at:

The Federal Correctional Institution (FCI) Ashland is a low security institution housing male inmates with a satellite camp that houses minimum security inmates.

The facility is located in the highlands of northeastern Kentucky, 125 miles east of Lexington and 5 miles southwest of Ashland.

Judicial District: Eastern Kentucky

it says elaine isn't in the BOP system.

"NOT IN BOP CUSTODY"

what's up with that? they were all worried about how "dangerous" ed is, yet they have him in a low security institution? i think they did that, if in fact he IS there, so that someone will try to bust him out.

and what's up with elaine not being in the bureau of prison custody? where is she?

Newbie Joined: Jun 14, 2007 Posts: 73

I tried the search for them in the prison system. First by name, found an Ed Brown in Kentucky but no Elaine. Then did the search by the inmate numbers given in one of the posts above, it did come up with their names but said that they were not in the prison system. ?????????????????????

I don't understand the info I am getting, the 2 different Ed Browns that I found have different ages. Don't have enough time to go further with it for now. Hope someone else has better luck.

According to the original statements made by the fed scum the Brown's were taken immediately to prison,,,,, as if already in the prison on Friday. What's up with this. How is I can search for them with this prison ID number and get their names but it says that they are not in the system.

Makes me even more curious about their health.

Someday real justice will be served,,,,,, fast and definitive. These scum are brave when it comes to older folks and teenage girls who break curfews, maybe they forgot that their is a portion of the population that is in as good or better condition than they are. That when sh*t hits the fan the number of people in this country who are as well trained as them will be far greater than those standing loyal to the NWO. The fury that will eventually be unleashed on them will have no room for mercy. They just don't seem to understand anything about karma.

Recruit Joined: Jul 03, 2007 Posts: 237

i think that is what they're counting on so they'll have a "good" excuse to kill us all.

NathanHalesrelative:

Quote:

These scum are brave when it comes to older folks and teenage girls who break curfews, maybe they forgot that their is a portion of the population that is in as good or better condition than they are. That when sh*t hits the fan the number of people in this country who are as well trained as them will be far greater than those standing loyal to the NWO. The fury that will eventually be unleashed on them will have no room for mercy.

i couldn't get any information on either of them with the numbers. i was thinking that maybe nothing comes up on elaine because elaine might be her middle name.

and there's the possibility they are in the hospital and that is why there will be no press conference until the 10th.

**Member** Joined: Jun 12, 2007 Posts: 3128

Elaine Alice Brown is her full name if I am not mistaken. I could get nothing either!

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:04 am

MaidMarion wrote:

Elaine Alice Brown is her full name if I am not mistaken. I could get nothing either!

Elaine is in Danbury FCI. When searching for Ed, remember that he will be entered into the system as "Edward". His information has not been updated yet.

**Member** Joined: Jul 02, 2007 Posts: 614

UE and NHR: You must always keep in the back of your mind the ultimate fact that these fools who hurt children and the elderly are simply pussies with guns. Anyone can hurt a child or the elderly but it takes someone far stronger to stand up for them. These people who conduct such atrocious acts are just the equivilent of schoolyard bullies and they will get what is coming to them.

This reminds me of some words of wisdom my brother told me several years ago: "no matter how big and bad you think you are, there's always someone out there who can whoop your ass."

Initiate Joined: Jun 20, 2007 Posts: 430

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=39605

Quote:

Szandor Blestman
October 6, 2007

I was on a radio program with Ed and Elaine the day before they were arrested. Elaine was a kind and gracious host. She thanked me for my efforts in support of a freer society. I thanked her for showing us the way, for I am not brave like the Browns are. I could not stand up to the Goliath as they did. They are like the little kid on the playground who finally has enough and stands up to the bully. I am just a kid who helps form a circle around the combatants. I only served to cheer them on. Unfortunately for the Browns, this time the bully won the fight. He is still king of the playground. The rest of us little kids can do nothing but shake are heads and walk away as the Browns lie bloody on the cold concrete. Ed said that he knew of only one way to defend his property, that words and paper weren’t enough, and perhaps he’s right. Unfortunately, words and paper are all I have, and they seem woefully inadequate. Unless all the kids on the playground decide they’ve had enough, unless they all decide the time has come to stop giving the bully their lunch money and to defend each other, I’m afraid the bully will remain king of the playground. Ed and Elaine Brown really have shown us the way, the question is, are we brave enough to follow?

**Member** Joined: Jun 12, 2007 Posts: 3128

I believe in a forceful strong non violent means to take this bully down. That is why I have urged everyone to contact the mainstream media specifically CNN to have them follow up on Edward Brown's where a bouts!

The pen is swifter than the sword somethime and this is one of the times.

CNN were fair in their coverage and did not get into the nonsense of the alleged threat of violence towards any so called "authorities." This is US Marshals propaganda that has been going on for quite some time now.

If they believed for one minuite that there was anyone that was a threat in any way towards Judge McAuliffe or anyone else they would have rounded them up by now.

Go ot keenfreepress.com and click on the interview with Ivy and the US Marshal. Learn how to protect yourself when talking with them. She kept her video with her and on him every minuite. When he tried in his smooth way to get her to turn it off, she explained that she was a single mother and had a child, that she was uncomfortable with them questioning her and she wanted the video on. It protected her! They treated her with respect and she did a great job of backing them down even when he tried to intimidate her with the statement that he thought she was lying to him. That lying to a federal officer was a felony.

Any one knows that when someone wants to leave because the US Marshals are coming after him..........would not tell anyone close to him where he was going. Ivy is savy enough to have said do not tell me where you are going.........because she would have known that they would come to talk with her since she was the roommate. She would have done this because she wanted to protect her child more than anyone...........every mom would do that. He is a real jerk because he tries to intimidate her with all of his experience saying I have x number of years interogating people and I know when they are lying .................what a crock............If he is that experienced he would have known that a Mother would never want to know where someone was going because she would have wanted to be uninvolved because of her child!

Please watch this 13 minute video at either the keenfreepress.com or on YouTube.

As it turned out Rob did contact the US Marshals and made an appointment to talk with them the next MORNING! THE FEDERAL US MARSHALS DID NOT SHOW UP FOR THE INTERVIEW!

THERE WAS NEVER A THREAT TO ANYONE AND THESE PEOPLE KNOW IT. THEY JUST WANT TO DEMONIZE THE BROWNS AND TRY TO MAKE THEM LOOK LIKE CRAZY PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC'S MINDS..........NEVER EVER DID I GET THE IMPRESSION THAT ED WAS GOING TO START SHOOTING ANYONE............THE ONLY THING HE TALKED ABOUT WAS HIS RIGHT TO DEFEND HIS WIFE AND HIS HOME! THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE HERE FOLKS!

THE US MARSHALS NEED TO COME CLEAN FOR ONCE AND ADMIT THAT THERE NEVER WAS ANYONE THAT THEY COULD NAME WHO MADE THESE THREATS! THIS IS THEIR SPIN AND PROPAGANDA FOLKS WHICH FALLS APART AT THEIR FEET WHENE THEY DON'T EVEN SHOW UP FOR AN INTERVIEW WITH ROB WHO THEY CLAIMED "WAS THE ONE THAT EVERYONE SAID WOULD DO SUCH A THING."

THANK YOU IVY FOR HANDELING YOURSELF SO WELL. WE ALL LEARNED SOMETHING FROM YOU TOO AND YOU ARE A HERO. SHAME AGAIN TO THE US MARSHALS FOR TRYING TO INTIMIDATE A SINGLE MOM WITH A CHILD AT HER PLACE OF WORK!!! THESE GUYS JUST CAN'T HELP THEMSELVES CAN THEY!!

YOU FOOLS DO YOU REALLY THINK WE BUY YOUR BULLSHIT! I FOR ONE HAVE LOST TOTALLY RESPECT FOR ANY OF YOU. HAVING HAD TWO FRIENDS WHO ARE JUDGES I KNOW HOW BRAVE SOME OF THE US MARSHALS HAVE BEEN WHEN THERE WERE MAD MURDERS IN THE COURTROOMS AND THEY PROTECTED PEOPLE.

WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE FROM WHERE I SIT. YOU ARE POWER CRAZY AND INTIMIDATION THE PEOPLE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE FOR NO REASON! SHAME AGAIN MONER..............REIGN IN YOUR PACK OF FOOLS...............OR DON'T YOU HAVE THE BALLS TO DO IT? YOU ARE A DISGRACE!