.223 ammo on the cheap - ugly: considering the fact that the majority of any combat operation will be conducted on urban terrain, we should keep that in mind. What does that have to do with stockpiling inexpensive quality ammo?

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http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/AMM236-48295-66.html

cheapest .223 ammo I seen thats not Wolf. Just as good as LC but with a lower cost. I havn't missed fire any of the rounds tested.

http://www.deltaforce.com
has a good deal on ss-109 .223 as well. I didn't puchase any do the fact it doesn't have reviews or name the manufactural but seems to be a good price for that type

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ugly: cheaper than dirt has some good stuff. if anyone is going to get .223 ammo then i'd recommend federal tactical rifle urban ammunition.

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That's expensive ammo for stockpiling. If was going to spend money. I just buy LC SS109

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ugly: considering the fact that the majority of any combat operation will be conducted on urban terrain, we should keep that in mind.

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Johnny82 wrote:

ugly: considering the fact that the majority of any combat operation will be conducted on urban terrain, we should keep that in mind.

What does that have to do with stockpiling inexpensive quality ammo?

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inexpensive is good but i personally want something that'll punch through whatever battle armor they're weaping, including this new style of armor, known as "dragonskin".

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Hey guys these kinds of posts are just what the Marshals are looking for to incriminate the four members who were arrested.

Ed and Elaine have always stressed non violence. I am afraid that these posts could be twisted like they did Ed's remarks about self defense as saying he was violent and threatened people's lives.

There is a private message forum that one can use to discuss these matters. Just a suggestion that you use them in future, so that you do not inadvertantly cause anyone harm. These members are in jail and in the system. They can do anything that they want to them, as I am sure you are aware. Discresion is the better part of valor right now. I know you do not want to give "law enforcement" or the judicial system fodder to prop up their flimsy charges.

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MM: good point. the last thing any of us wants to do is enpower the enemy. private messages are the best way to discuss such topics in the future.

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Thanks Johnny.........I did not want to come on like I was reprimanding any of you or anything like that. I even noticed that in one of your posts you yourself recommended restraint here now. Just a reminder, to myself and all of us that there are four innocent men in jail right now. We can be sure that the "authorities" are combing these posts night and day. With all of the new laws they have enacted they could add God knows what as evidence and we, who knew an era that seemed to have more freedom of speech, might inadvertantely post something that could be used. I expect all of you to remind me if I sound like I am giving them fodder in any way shape or form.

Hell recently they arrested a woman who was reciting the Constitution for God's shake. It is scary, wrong and getting worse..............so be careful! Do not worry we wll win this because we have no alternative!

This is a wonderful Constitutional Republic and we will not loose it because of betrayal! Trust that, believe that and you will see it as soverign men and women on the land. Do not allow them to trick you into their arena. And as criminal devils they have ingeniuse ways to trick you into that battle. Love to you all!

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with new laws come new infringements. we must also remember that their power is waning. the majority of laws contained within the patriot act have been deemed unconstitutional. in addition to this, the ACLU has presented a lawsuit to the supreme court in reference to the NSA's domestic wiretapping program. i never knew telling other people their rights and freedoms was a crime or justification for the police to break that woman's leg.

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They have done worse Johnny..................What about Carol Ann Gutbaum who died in Phoenix.................I am sure this is not the first time that people have died at their hands.

Also look at the criminality of the US Marshall who threatened Terry Melton with sodomy. Usually this is done with a broom handle steeped in acid!

Is this anything even close to the America and her ideals that we all know and love? It is nothing even close to what I and all of the people I have known through my life time ever came close to thinking could happen to this wonderful country.

Now I am even more frightened because I see that Hillary is so far ahead in the polls. If she wins it will only be more of the same.

I do beleve that with the help of all of us we can put a man in office that will bring us back to the path that this republic was founded on and has diviated from temporarily.

I know that the American people are filled with abundance, goodness, and kindness. The fact that they have been manipulated and distracted does not negate their genuineness. The awakening is growing and it is rushing across this country. People are learning how to talk to enforcement officials and in the judicial system without fear. The tide is turning. I spend hours each and every day searching the web for signs of this and it is rampant. Those in power do not represent us and we do not recognize their jurisdiction.

The Creator's plan is unfolding exactly as it should, never for one minuite should you doubt that.

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Johnny82 wrote:

inexpensive is good but i personally want something that'll punch through whatever battle armor they're weaping, including this new style of armor, known as "dragonskin".

obviously you were never in the military. Second, US miltary does not issue dragonskin.

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MaidMarion wrote:

Hey guys these kinds of posts are just what the Marshals are looking for to incriminate the four members who were arrested.

you can't incriminate someone who has already been prosecuted on charges who is awaiting trial. The four would have to be making these post right now (real time), Anything they said in the past before there arrest would be incriminating and used against them in trial.

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they just got through developing it and it is set to be distributed to our soldiers but more likely it'll be given to that fine upstanding mercenary force at blackwater. you know how much bush loves his SS.

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This is a militia forum, and discussion of military subjects is entirely appropriate, as long as we're not specific about targeting. I assume Johnny's remarks concerned the urban fighting in Iraq, like in Fallujah for example.

Frankly I'm amazed there's any cheap .223 left. Good find, ugly!

Koernke has been recommending stocking up on 30.06. It will soon be deer season, and purchases at this time will not cause any undue notice.

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Hey all! New on the block here. Been hanging over at PrisonPlanet.tv forum.

Just a question...I've been considering a AR-15A2 Government, but the prices I've seen are well, pricey! Cheapest I've seen is about $800, up to $1400. What might be a good alternate choice? I like the .223 cal round as being plentiful common round, just like a 9mm for a side arm.

Back in the Navy MANY years ago(20+) I got my rifle marksman using a M1 Garand .308 cal. That was a sweet rifle to shoot! I actually wouldn't mind having one. It's heavy but helps with the recoil.

Any thoughts?

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Bossgator wrote:

Just a question...I've been considering a AR-15A2 Government, but the prices I've seen are well, pricey! Cheapest I've seen is about $800, up to $1400. What might be a good alternate choice? I like the .223 cal round as being plentiful common round,

All Ar's are expensive, But well worth the money.
IF you really want to cut back on cash and still fire a .223 I would suggest a Mini-14

You can get more info from this forum
http://www.warrifles.com

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www.ar15.com
www.ak-47.net

The M-1 Garand took a .30-06 Springfield cartridge (7.62 × 63 mm)

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Thanks Ugly...............Never having had any experience with the "law" so to speak............what has happened to the four supporters and now Ed and Elaine are truly frightening for me to watch. To watch the "authorities" twist things and spin the truth is beyond belief for me to watch happening in America.

So forgive me if I erred on the sde of caution. Know that I would never want to affect anyone's 1st amendment rights.

For whatever reason when I posted, what had come to mind was "loose lips sink ships." Beleive me being an open trusting person I have been
betrayed royally many times. It hurts.

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I few weeks ago, I heard Alex Jones speak of someone who had been arrested. They had a couple thousand rounds of ammo (don't know what kind) of course the media didn't say, it could have been 22 shells.

They were accused of "stockpiling" ammunition.

Don't you like how they referred to "Waco, Ruby Ridge, and Ed and Elaine's home as a "compound".

These were their homes!

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Ahmed wrote:

www.ar15.com
www.ak-47.net

The M-1 Garand took a .30-06 Springfield cartridge (7.62 × 63 mm)

That is true as for the normal round. But when I qualified for my ribbon in the Navy, one of our rangemasters had a match Garand he used in competition that was in fact a .308! For real. I know for a fact because he and I are left handed and I used his shooting jacket and his rifle since we both shot the same. He showed me how to keep the ejected casings from smacking me in the face! Now the other rangemaster, his Garand was a .30-06.

200 yards with iron sights was fun!

Thanks for the info links guys!

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Springfield Armory still makes Garand M-1's, and I see they have them in .308 as well as 30-06. http://www.springfield-armory.com/armory.php?model=21

Also here's a quick introduction to the M-1 for militia purposes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quxt33Z1SPs

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Nice info, thanks!

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Ugly: check out www.bushmaster.com they do have alot of AR-15's in stock.

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Johnny82 wrote:

Ugly: check out www.bushmaster.com they do have alot of AR-15's in stock.

buhsmasters are way over priced and to high maintenance.
IF you want a good AR John I would suggest going with a DPMS or ROCKRIVER.