The Illusion of Numbers is Trumped by the Truth of One!! - The notion that the FEDS are in control and have the authority to abduct someone because "enough is enough" is supportive of a violent attack against a free people. The US declared war on the people on the states a long time ago. They are mur

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Any idea when the Feds are going to say enough is enough and go in and grab these 2? You have to admit that they are getting special treatment at this point since warrants are being executed on a daily basis in connection with other defendants...

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Who knows. I think they will wait a while and let things settle down -- they will hope that Ed and Elaine's support dies down over time.

Also, it's not a matter of "grabbing" Ed and Elaine. They live in a heavily-fortified house. They have weapons and ammunition. I would imagine they may have other surprises as well.

They also have mutual protection agreements. In a time like ours today, when there is NO justice, and NO help from government at all, people have to trust in one another. When the government has alienated itself from the people, by becoming our ruler, we have only one another to turn to. If someone hurts Ed and/or Elaine -- the people doing the hurting will be hurt. Obviously I'm not involved with this (I'm in Illinois), and I know no details (nor wish to know any), but I'm confident that this is what will happen.

It's not something pleasant to think about. It really gets close to the line of right and wrong. But it works. Sometimes the ONLY thing you can count on to keep criminals away is their assured destruction should they attack a GOOD person. This is how things used to be, in the "Wild West," which actually wasn't so "wild" after all. It was a much safer and much more civilized society. The movies don't portray it the way it was. The miscreants used to kill one another in bars and have duels with one another. But they stuck to their own kind.

The miscreant would not DARE to mess with the GOOD people of the town. Indeed, GOOD people in BAD neighborhoods didn't even have trouble. They could walk by in the middle of the night and not have to worry. Why? If a BAD miscreant dared to touch a GOOD citizen -- they would be shot or hung. There was no mercy for the miscreants of society when they messed with good people.

HEED THE WARNING, FEDERAL MISCREANTS.

Newbie Joined: Apr 29, 2007 Posts: 46

"When is the 'take down' going to happen?"

This is a problem with some in the crowd. They either can't wait for others to be taken down so they can use them for their own purposes or talking points. Or, they want to "go out in a blaze of glory" because they are covetous of the martyrs that have gone before.

For some reason, these sideline watchers want to see Ed and Elaine go out like the Branch Davidians, or gunned down like Randy Weaver's wife. Vultures.

This isn't "My Name is Nobody". Ed and Elaine will not go out in a hail of bullets only to be spirited off to live in Europe. The end some are hoping for is for there to be a massive shoot out, dead bodies, and a chance to say, "See, the government killed more innocents in the name of taxes, the UN, and international banking."

These are the same that would have sold tickets to a car wreck.

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It's too easy to forget that Ed and Elaine are people just like yourselves. To the people who want this to go down: you should really visit Ed and Elaine and get to know them. Then you'll feel differently about the problem they're facing.

A standoff that turns to a stand down (by the government thugs) would not be too bad. This is very unlikely to happen though. Anything else -- any violence -- is not desired.

The best thing would be for them to LEAVE ED AND ELAINE AND ALL OTHER LAW-ABIDING GOOD PEOPLE THE HELL ALONE. DON'T TREAD ON US.

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I think their cause would be much better advanced by a peaceful surrender, using that as a springboard or mechanism with which to promote their position. I think only a small minority really want this situation to end in a "hail of bullets".

There is a certain mindset that wants authority defied just for the sake of defying authority. They think that proves a point when in fact that point would be much better proved by adopting an alternate route. Nelson Mandela spent many years in prison and by so doing accomplished his ultimate objective. Had he gone out in the proverbial "hail of bullets" nothing would have been accomplished.

The Browns may think they are doing "the movement" a favor when in fact they may be doing it a disservice.

Unfortunately, there are some who just prefer to criticize and ignore interpretations of situation that differ from theirs.

Newbie Joined: May 04, 2007 Posts: 9

Letschacha wrote:

I think their cause would be much better advanced by a peaceful surrender, using that as a springboard or mechanism with which to promote their position.

The Browns may think they are doing "the movement" a favor when in fact they may be doing it a disservice.

Unfortunately, there are some who just prefer to criticize and ignore interpretations of situation that differ from theirs.

I agree. I’d hate to see them go “down in a blaze of glory”. I don’t think that’s going to help the cause. They will just be seen extremists. Surrendering peacefully, however, may allow them to better get their opinion out to people and may cause people to questions their sentence. 5 years was harsh for 60 somethings.

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I couldn't agree more. That "mutual protection agreement" will just make the Browns look like vengeful judge killers and wackos. It'll set the movement back by at least ten years, just as OKC just about destroyed the militia movement.

I can certainly understand why Aaron Russo and Bob Schultz don't want their names to be associated with the violence that Ed and Elaine have been advocating.

Newbie Joined: May 04, 2007 Posts: 9

Is there any truth to the rumor that US Marshalls are going to start arresting people that come and go from the Brown's home?

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That would be a dumb thing to do...

Newbie Joined: May 10, 2007 Posts: 1

I believe they will be destroyed...

A few people will make a lot of noise for a while..

The mainstream media will poo poo it all...

And they will be forgotten...Just like Ruby ridge and Waco..

My 2 cents

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And this is exactly the opposite of what should happen to advance the cause. I wonder if Ed reads this forum and thinks about these things. Right now its just a big ego trip for him i.e. he is the center of attention and the darling of the income taxhater crowd (not that I particularly like income taxes) but he could turn it into a far more productive scenario if he could view his situation more objectively.

I do not see that happening now because he has too many adoring fans and handlers pushing him over the edge and using him to their own advantage.

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I don't think that's a fair thing to say at all, Letschacha. Have you ever met Ed? Have you spent any time with him? Have you talked to him on the phone even?

How can you be so presumptuous that Ed is on this "ego trip" like you say? Why is it that always when someone stands up, it must be for some OTHER reason -- some reason OTHER than it's just the right thing to do?

Ed knows his situation better than any of us. He also has a lot of friends that help him stay objective and figure everything out. I really don't know where you're coming from at all.

YOU SAY ED AND ELAINE SHOULD SURRENDER? WHAT GOOD WOULD THAT DO? TWO MORE GOOD PEOPLE IN JAIL FOR NOT VIOLATING ANY LAW? OHHHHH--THAT'LL MAKE THINGS BETTER FOR US. THE BAD GUYS GET AWAY WITH THINGS BECAUSE WE ALWAYS GIVE IN IN THE END -- WE ALWAYS LET THEM HAVE THEIR WAY. TIME TO STAND OUR GROUND -- TIME TO MAKE THE STAND.

I don't think you're on the right site, bro. This is MakeTheStand.com -- not SurrenderEverything.com

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Well Shaun, as indicated by the posts, others disagree with you. But then that is what forum discussions are all about and your opinion is just as valid and worthy of consideration as mine and the others.

As to Ed's ego trip, if you think that does not play a role in this you are only fooling yourself. One does not have to know him personally to come to grips with this basic precept of human nature. But ego trip or not I think his point would be better made by surrendering.

Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 1:37 pm

The Illusion of Numbers is Trumped by the Truth of One!!

Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 7:58 am
Well Shaun, as indicated by the posts, others disagree with you. But then that is what forum discussions are all about and your opinion is just as valid and worthy of consideration as mine and the others.

rk: I assure the readers of this forum that the name of "letschacha" will not appear any longer on this form, the disinformation agent who has used it is far from gone. These people create the illusion of numbers when one man using 10 different id's can write ten different posts supporting a single idea. The is the common place fraud going on the Internet today.

rk: The are the flow to the Newgroups/forums system of communication that voting machines pose to the voting process. In the world of BASSACKWARD politics and deception nothing can be done in a timely fashion. They'll TALK ABOUT it for years before they act. By they the damage has been done.

rk: Ed and Elaine Brown are showing you the way. BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT, BOYCOTT corrupt systems. ray

As to Ed's ego trip, if you think that does not play a role in this you are only fooling yourself. One does not have to know him personally to come to grips with this basic precept of human nature. But ego trip or not I think his point would be better made by surrendering.

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The notion that the FEDS are in control and have the authority to abduct someone because "enough is enough" is supportive of a violent attack against a free people. The US declared war on the people on the states a long time ago. They are murderers, liars and theives. Yes, indeed, enough is enough.

There is no "movement" that is entitled to sacrafice innocent men and women of their freedom for want of a greater cause. A man's freedom IS the cause.

Have no fear, people. Each and every one of us has the authority to exercise our choice to be free and allow others the same.

All IRS notices are administrative and carry NO lawful authority.

---If you work for a financial institution ( bank, insurance, mortgage, etc.), throw the administrative notices from the IRS into the trash. No exceptions.

---If you work for a local of state government, throw the administrative IRS notices into the trash - No exceptions.

As far as courts and law enforcement:

--- If you are on a jury - vote to acquit for any tax crime - NO EXCEPTIONS.

---If you work for law enforcement, do your duty and protect the innocent. Let the IRS know that if they trespass on private property, they will be arrested. Tell US Mashalls that if they step foot on the Brown's property, they will spend time in the local jail.

The Brown's are being held hostage on their own property. It's no longer good enough just to be left alone. We are not government's property, and we do not exist in support of their wicked schemes. Read that until you understand.

Ray and others, there is no "cause" and there is no "point to be made". You are sadly mistaken if you believe a "point" is noted or a "cause" supported on behalf of the martyred. The evil principals of the scheme laugh at such non-sense.

Our political system is a flat tire. It's time to stop putting it on the car and wondering why the hell it still pulls to the right. Yes, indeed, enough is enough - but it's we the people that have had enough. Mr and Mrs Brown - you have my support. Wish I were there.