U.S Snipers "bait" iraqis - America can now replace Nazi Germany for crimes against humanity. Don't you feel ashamed to be American. We can no longer question why the German people did not stop it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,we are now guilt of the same thing. What cowards we really ar

Newbie Joined: Jun 18, 2007 Posts: 91

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,150440,00.html?ESRC=army.nl

U.S. Snipers 'Bait' Iraqis
Associated Press | September 25, 2007
WASHINGTON - Army snipers hunting insurgents in Iraq were under orders to "bait" their targets with suspicious materials, such as detonation cords, and then kill whoever picked up the items, according to the defense attorney for a Soldier accused of planting evidence on an Iraqi he killed. Gary Myers, an attorney for Sgt. Evan Vela, said Monday his client had acted "pursuant to orders."

"We believe that our client has done nothing more than he was instructed to do by superiors," Myers said in a telephone interview.

Myers and Vela's father, Curtis Carnahan of Idaho Falls, Idaho, said in separate interviews that sworn statements and testimony in the cases of two other accused Ranger snipers indicate that the Army has a classified program that encourages snipers to "bait" potential targets and then kill whoever takes the bait.

The Army on Monday declined to confirm such a program exists.

"To prevent the enemy from learning about our tactics, techniques and training procedures, we don't discuss specific methods targeting enemy combatants," said Paul Boyce, an Army spokesman.

Boyce also said there are no classified programs that authorize the murder of Iraqi civilians or the use of "drop weapons" to make killings appeared to be legally justified, which is what Vela and the two other snipers are accused of doing.

The transcript of a court hearing for two of the three accused snipers makes several references to the existence of a classified "baiting" program but provides few details of how it works. A copy of the transcript was provided to The Associated Press by Vela's father.

The Washington Post, which first reported the existence of the "baiting" program, cited the sworn statement of Capt. Matthew P. Didier, the leader of a Ranger sniper scout platoon.

"Baiting is putting an object out there that we know they will use, with the intention of destroying the enemy," Didier said in the statement. "Basically, we would put an item out there and watch it. If someone found the item, picked it up and attempted to leave with the item, we would engage the individual as I saw this as a sign they would use the item against U.S. forces."

The Post said the program was devised by the Army's Asymmetric Warfare Group, which advises commanders on more effective methods in today's unconventional conflicts, including ways to combat roadside bombs.

Within months of the "baiting" program's introduction, three snipers in Didier's platoon were charged with murder for allegedly using those items and others to make shootings seem legitimate, according to the Post.

The Post said that although it doesn't appear that the three alleged shootings were specifically part of the classified program, defense attorneys argue that the program may have encouraged them by blurring the legal lines in a complex war zone.

The court martial of one of the accused Soldiers, Spec. Jorge Sandoval Jr., is scheduled to begin in Baghdad on Wednesday. Also facing premeditated murder charges are Vela and Staff Sgt. Michael Hensley.

They are part of the Headquarters and Headquarters Company, 1st Battalion, 501st Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade (Airborne), 25th Infantry Division, based at Fort Richardson, Alaska.

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**Member** Joined: Jul 02, 2007 Posts: 614

i think we're going to be ducking and covering when we walk the streets.

Site Admin Joined: Apr 03, 2007 Posts: 580

So, now regular civilian Iraqis need to be worried if they pick things up off the ground too?

Haven't they got enough to be worried about? I've seen videos of these people being shot with machineguns because they've driven too close to one of the contractor SUVs. It's disgusting.

Now just picking something curious like a wire or a metal object -- whatever they use -- off the ground can get them shot. Shocked

**Member** Joined: Jun 12, 2007 Posts: 3128

Once a nation is filled with its own grandiosity like we have been by the neocons/global elites..........insanity is not far behind. This is total insanity nothing more. We also have allowed Bush to have his own little ss army by the name of Blackwater which seems to be hooked up to and the CIA's own personal little army. Makes you wonder if some of these guys know any thing about 911.

How in the world will we ever be able to make amends to the people of Iraq for going to war with them in this premptive, and occupational mode, without the concent of congress? They manage to do it by calling it by any other name except war it seems.

We slept while the elites used us for their own agenda and now that some of us have awakened we too are being attacked because of what we know is going on! 911, the wars with Afghanistan, and Iraq, were a wonderful way to errode the Constitution, Bill of Rights and our freedoms. They have succeeded. I hope it is just temporany insanity on the part of this regime and the people will fight back to take control and rid ourselves of this horror that is being played out now in our name!

**Member** Joined: Jul 02, 2007 Posts: 614

it also brings to mind what exactly the us government is going to do when the iraqis pass that law taking away blackwater's immunity? there's already talk within the government of splitting up iraq so just imagine what bush, hitlery and the powers that be will do to turn the middle east upside down. if we thought the iraq war wasn't bad enough we haven't seen anything yet.

Recruit Joined: Jul 03, 2007 Posts: 237

speaking of blackwater...

Quote:

Blackwater Inquiry Blocked by State Dept., Official Says

By JAMES RISEN
Published: September 26, 2007

WASHINGTON, Sept. 25 — The Democratic chairman of a House committee complained Tuesday that the State Department was blocking his panel’s efforts to investigate the private security firm Blackwater USA and its operations in Iraq.

The department described the situation as a “misunderstanding.”

In a letter to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Rep. Henry A. Waxman of California, the chairman of the House Oversight Committee, wrote that the State Department had prevented Blackwater from cooperating.

“Blackwater has informed the committee that a State Department official directed Blackwater not to provide documents relevant to the committee’s investigation into the company’s activities in Iraq without the prior written approval of the State Department,” Mr. Waxman’s letter stated. The letter was made available to the news media on Tuesday.

complete article here: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/26/washington/26contractor.html?ref=washington

**Member** Joined: Jul 02, 2007 Posts: 614

it seems the secretary of state has something to hide. i wonder what it is. i also wonder if the state department is going to attempt to block efforts by the iraqi government to remove blackwater's immunity and put their operatives on trial?

**Member** Joined: Jun 12, 2007 Posts: 3128

The fact that Blackwater has approximately 180,000 "contractors" vs. approximately 130, 000 military.

This is Bush's own private ss army. As one of it's heads is Cofer Black, Vice Chairman who is a 28 year veteran of the CIA and Head of the Counter Terrior Div. in 2001 when he retired to go to Blackwater.

**Member** Joined: Jul 02, 2007 Posts: 614

so we have bush a.k.a nero, a.k.a adolph, a.k.a caligula. and then we have the ss storm troopers led by heinrich himmler. it justs gets better and better.

Recruit Joined: Jul 03, 2007 Posts: 237

not to mention that the blackwater thugs receive no insurance, health care, or disability like regular military soldiers. some think the decision to use them is economical as well.

here's a link: http://commonsense.ourfuture.org/blackwater_economical_after_all?tx=3

Initiate Joined: Jun 20, 2007 Posts: 430

The object is to kill Iraqis and reduce the population. Whether it is done by cutting off food and medical supplies, or car bombs, or "justifiable" shootings is immaterial to the people pulling the strings.

Before this the soldiers were setting up random checkpoints. When a car approached, they'd yell "Stop" in a low voice, in English, and then they'd open fire, because they had their justification. Similarly, in the "cordon and search" operations, a section of a city would be declared Al Queda territory. The troops would open the door to each house and throw in hand grenades, without looking to see who they were killing.

In Falluja they used white phosphorus. Besides burning down to the bone, it produces a poisonous gas that burns the insides of the lungs.

Iraqis report the Americans are trying out a new weapon that has the effect of making a person bleed from every orifice in his body.

You can see a lot of this in the war videos on Youtube. Even the ones made by the U.S. military. Look for "cordon search" or "Fallujah".

Search for "Greater Israel" on Google or your favorite search tool. This is the goal of the Iraqi depopulation. The Zionists think they have a manifest destiny to expand Israel to it former boundaries under King David.

**Member** Joined: Jun 12, 2007 Posts: 3128

America can now replace Nazi Germany for crimes against humanity.

Don't you feel ashamed to be American. We can no longer question why the German people did not stop it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,we are now guilt of the same thing. What cowards we really are and I include myself in that group.

Now we can't even say anything negitive about the war or the president regardless if it is factual.