Jewish Spokesman: Ahmadinejad "an advocate of peace,qu - It is a shame that even amongst the many intelligent people who realize that freedom has it's back against a wall (despite the media) there are still many who can't seem to clear themselves of other misconceptions. Ideas given to us by the mainstream new

Recruit Joined: Sep 14, 2007 Posts: 140

Ahmadinejad, the one whom our beloved government says has been supplying rebels with IED's, will be in New York this entire week. Supposedly Iran has been trying to develope "nukyewler" bombs for the purpose of terrorism. Personally, I believe that if they were, the target would be Israel, not us.
There may be a backlash of protest from New Yorkers, concerning his right to visit our soil in the first place. A few rumors even point out that there may be an attempted assasination. I wouldn't weep for the jerk.
any thoughts?

---I hope this is the right folder---

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is it any wonder that the unwashed masses are so brainwashed and ignorant after seeing how CU's president behaved? what can you expect when the "scholars" are so uncouth?

and who is surprised at how john q public acts after seeing even college students falling in line with the regime?

and IIRC ahmadinejad did not say what he has been quoted as saying about destroying israel. what he said was, "if america attacks iran" he will wipe israel off the map. big difference.

and why is it so bad for ahmadinejad to question the holocaust when some jewish people even question the established "facts" on the holocaust themselves?

personally, i believe it happened. however, after reading some writings by jewish writers i now question accepted history as to why it happened.

sorry for not having references. you ought to be able to google it and find them.

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iran is developing nuclear arms but as far as IEDs, any nation including our own could be behind it. considering his crimes against his own people i think they should be able to enact their own revenge against the man. IEDs are simple to develop so brings into question "if this guy is such a threat to us, why let him visit our country?"

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http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/17/baradei-warnings/

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UE: you know bush will find a way around the constitution so that he can go to war with iran. he did the same thing with iraq and now we have a middle eastern clusterfuck on our hands and it's only going to get worse if america decides to attack iran. if bush attacks unprovoked then the entire middle east is going to go apeshit and we're talking hundreds of millions of people arming up for a jihad against america which is exactly what bush and his handlers want. if we're actually attacked by a major terrorist group then bush, or whoever the powers that be have in office, will initiate a military government and permanently suspend the constitution.

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what bush/cheney has done, is doing, and plans to do, is madness par excellence. the only explanation is they want/need this country to be attacked and invaded in order to carry out their true plans. nothing else makes sense.

on ahmadinejad:
i could not find the article i had read that said ahmadinejad was misquoted. i did find the following, though, which gives it differently than what i had previously read:

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"WIPED OFF THE MAP" - The Rumor of the Century
Written by Arash Norouzi
Thursday, 18 January 2007

Across the world, a dangerous rumor has spread that could have catastrophic implications. According to legend, Iran's President has threatened to destroy Israel, or, to quote the misquote, "Israel must be wiped off the map". Contrary to popular belief, this statement was never made, as the following article will prove.

the rest of the article can be found here: http://democracyrising.us/content/view/736/164/

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here's the thing: it has to happen very soon at least within the next few months so that they can enact their plan before the next pansy takes over.

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better catch this one before jpost takes it down!

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1189411485277&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

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Sep 25, 2007 13:13 | Updated Sep 25, 2007 21:07
Natorei Karta: Ahmadinejad man of peace
By JPOST.COM STAFF

Natorei Karta spokesman Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss on Tuesday called Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad "an advocate of peace," prior to the group's meeting with the controversial leader in New York.

Weiss said in a statement that "this will be the third time we're meeting with [Ahmadinejad]. … Every time, we stressed to the Iranian leadership that despite … the declarations by Jews who don't understand the essence of the matter, we have found the Iranian people and their leaders friendly and respectful."

He added that Natorei Karta members believed Ahmadinejad was a very religious man who was dedicated to world peace based on mutual respect and dialogue.

Regarding Israel's relations with Iran, Weiss said that "Judaism seeks peace. Unfortunately, many Jews who are influenced by Zionism - a philosophy less than 100 years old - feel that the proper response to their enemies, be they real or imagined, is aggression. They call for violence and, to our great misfortune, try to drag other nations into war."

Weiss expressed chagrin that few world officials had tried to talk with Ahmadinejad or to follow the real opinion of Iranian Jews, who, he said, live peacefully in the country.

"We want to meet with the man who has proven again and again that he is interested in the welfare of the Iranian Jewish community and that he has a deep respect for the Jewish world ... The Zionist attempt to isolate this man and his people is immoral and tragic," he said.

Ahmadinejad's visit to New York as part of the UN General Assembly has garnered harsh criticism from Jewish groups due to his frequent calls to "wipe Israel off the map.

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october 15-20 would be an excellent time--though i'm not saying i think it will happen.

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NORTHCOM Plans 5 Day Martial Law Exercise

Published on Wednesday, September 05, 2007

By Lee Rogers - Intel Strike Contributing Writer

The United States Northern Command (USNORTHCOM) has just announced plans for an anti-terrorism exercise called Vigilant Shield 08. The exercise which is slated to run from October 15th to October 20th is described as a way to prepare, prevent and respond to any number of national crises. The exercise is simply a test case scenario for the implementation of martial law. Although the description of the exercise is disturbing, USNORTHCOM also announced that they are more prepared for a natural disaster and a terrorist attack after they used their response to Hurricane Katrina as a test laboratory. During Hurricane Katrina, authorities violated the constitutional rights of citizens by stealing people’s firearms and even relocating people against their will. These announcements are incredibly disturbing on a number of levels as the nature of Vigilant Shield 08 and the admission that Hurricane Katrina was used as a test laboratory shows that the government is actively preparing the military and government institutions for martial law.

entire article here: http://www.blacklistednews.com/view.asp?ID=4185

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It surprises me that he got into this country, let alone New York. If he is such a bad man why was he let in in the first place?

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it makes me wonder how far bush would go to start this war? the people hate the iranian dictatorship and they don't want it here and yet here we are, watching the clock move closer and closer to midnight, when all freedoms shall cease and the rich will attempt to turn us into their slaves. when armed men will patrol the streets and murder those who stand against the regime.

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Interestingly enough, one can go to google and article after article how the Iranian people had candle light vigils the night after for days during Sept 2001.

Now this administration does nothing but demonize Iran..........why.......because they want to maintain control over their oil and the Persian Gulf?

But then the whole word was with us at that time. Instead of building on that good will Bush did nothing but squander that support along with our country's youth and treasure, in an illegal war in iraq.

How this can slip by the American people is way beyond me. We are responsible who we put in office. Having said that I retract it because we all know how Bush was selected the first time and how Diebold helped the process the second time. So I guess we have to be responsible for going back to paper and geting rid of the electronic voting machines since they are so easily programed.

I am tired of hearing so many say we can't defeat the NWO..............we can, we will, and, we have to, no matter what!

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[quote="UlyssesEator"]october 15-20 would be an excellent time--though i'm not saying i think it will happen.

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NORTHCOM Plans 5 Day Martial Law Exercise

Published on Wednesday, September 05, 2007

By Lee Rogers - Intel Strike Contributing Writer

The United States Northern Command (USNORTHCOM) has just announced plans for an anti-terrorism exercise called Vigilant Shield 08. The exercise which is slated to run from October 15th to October 20th is described as a way to prepare, prevent and respond to any number of national crises. The exercise is simply a test case scenario for the implementation of martial law. Although the description of the exercise is disturbing, USNORTHCOM also announced that they are more prepared for a natural disaster and a terrorist attack after they used their response to Hurricane Katrina as a test laboratory. During Hurricane Katrina, authorities violated the constitutional rights of citizens by stealing people’s firearms and even relocating people against their will. These announcements are incredibly disturbing on a number of levels as the nature of Vigilant Shield 08 and the admission that Hurricane Katrina was used as a test laboratory shows that the government is actively preparing the military and government institutions for martial law.

I been hearing of this for a bit from the people I fish with.

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Ahmadinejad:
@ USA -we are oppressed by Israel, poor us we haven't done anything wrong.
@Iran- Kill Israel all the land they sit on, everything they own is actually ours. They are from satan! They haven't seen the holocaust yet...
@ USA- We want peace, tell Israel to give our friends some land to live next door with them, we want Isreal to be our friends....

bastard flip-flops like a John Kerry/gollum hybrid.

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NORTHCOM Plans 5 Day Martial Law Exercise

Published on Wednesday, September 05, 2007

By Lee Rogers - Intel Strike Contributing Writer

The United States Northern Command (USNORTHCOM) has just announced plans for an anti-terrorism exercise called Vigilant Shield 08. The exercise which is slated to run from October 15th to October 20th is described as a way to prepare, prevent and respond to any number of national crises. The exercise is simply a test case scenario for the implementation of martial law. Although the description of the exercise is disturbing, USNORTHCOM also announced that they are more prepared for a natural disaster and a terrorist attack after they used their response to Hurricane Katrina as a test laboratory. During Hurricane Katrina, authorities violated the constitutional rights of citizens by stealing people’s firearms and even relocating people against their will. These announcements are incredibly disturbing on a number of levels as the nature of Vigilant Shield 08 and the admission that Hurricane Katrina was used as a test laboratory shows that the government is actively preparing the military and government institutions for martial law.

(quietly rummages for Rambo clothing)

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is it any wonder that the unwashed masses are so brainwashed and ignorant after seeing how CU's president behaved? what can you expect when the "scholars" are so uncouth?

I understand the Columbia University president is (or was) a director of the New York Federal Reserve.

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MM: the powers that be know that if they control the oil, then they control the world. every nation will be slaves to them because they hold their lifeline in the palm of their hands.

RJ: i find it every interesting that considering the government's position on iran and the man running it that they would allow him into the country. why would they allow this to happen? what does the government have up their sleeve? what do they have planned? considering that the entire 9/11 theory the government presented to the people is crumbling before them the powers that be better think up something quick before the entire country wakes up. If a few hundred million people found out that 9/11 was staged and that everything presented to them by the government was a lie, what exactly do you think would happen? Because i'm picturing alot of politicians and rich people being physically assaulted and worse by the american people.

Sickleye: when it comes to politicians, regardless of where they're from or what they think, want or believe, they are all full of crap and they all flip flop on the issues. finding a honest politician is harder than hell.

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The United States Northern Command (USNORTHCOM) has just announced plans for an anti-terrorism exercise called Vigilant Shield 08. The exercise which is slated to run from October 15th to October 20th is described as a way to prepare, prevent and respond to any number of national crises. The exercise is simply a test case scenario for the implementation of martial law.

So now we know when they're going to come for the Browns.

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Aye, nicely stated Ahmed.

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Agreed, Ahmed that is exactly what I thought. It also lets us know what was being discussed at Montebello. The American people have a right to know what the hell is going on when three leaders meet and go behind closed doors.

Does it not tell you how much of a fact that the NAU is in place?

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MM: it isn't just us who's wanting to know what in the world is going on. the canadian people are wanting answers as well and the canadian PM is doing their government like bush is doing congress on this. he's keeping us all in the dark on this until we can't do anything about it. i sent a e-mail to my senator about this and you won't believe what his response was:

Dear Mr. Matheson,

Thank you for contacting my office to share your concerns about illegal immigration. Your input is important to me, and I appreciate the time you took to share your thoughts.

As you are aware, earlier this year we debated the immigration issue on the floor of the Senate. On June 28th, along with 53 other Senators, I voted against cloture to end debate on that immigration bill and as a result of this vote the bill died. Directly after the vote, I spoke with several architects of the bill and told them that going forward our approach needs to be a more modest bill that emphasizes border security, employer verification systems, visa exit and entrance mechanisms and other provisions that will put us in a position to actually enforce our immigration policy.

Controlling our borders and patrolling our points of entry are essential. We also need to make sure that we allow people to work here, but only if they're legal. I do not support amnesty. I am in favor of immigration reform that is fair to the American people and immigrants who have come to our country legally.

Thank you again for your letter. I hope you will continue to share your thoughts with me over the next six years.

Sincerely,

Bob Corker

United States Senator

__________________________________________

He completely avoided the questions about the nau and congress' plan to stop it from coming to fruition. what does that tell you? it isn't just the fact that congress didn't know about the north american union, they're turning a blind eye to it. I do believe in the case of the north american union, the writing is on the wall ladies and gentlemen.

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You prove one of the points that I had been planning to make Johnny82. in one of your earlier posts you said the people hate the Iranian dictator........I don't know who you mean by the people. Are you talking about the Iranian people or the American peopl, and where is your factual proof? There is no factual proof that Iran is making nuclear weapons as has been suggested in some previous posts. This is again government propaganda, the same as the lies about Iraq having weapons of mass distruction. If this is just an opinion then I think you should state that it is your opinion because their is no evidence that supports that claim whatsoever.

We have factual proof of a far more powerful dictator right here in our oun back yard. In the past six years most of the manufacturing jobs have been off shored to India, China and Mexico. Leaving the country without an industrial base and the working class with out jobs. Then they started to go after the middle class. Kids getting out of college today can find jobs alright .........waiting tables and the like. Look at the FDA and what they have done. They rubber stamp drugs that kill. Scientists have proven that Vitmin D kills cancer. It reduces all cancers by 60%. They believe that all deseases can be cued with vitimins. Hundreds of thousands are killed by legal drugs every year. They attack anyone who tries to teach people about natural means because it would eat into their incredible profits.

They have put floride in the water, mercury in the imunization shots so that the level of autism has risen alarmingly. They insist on drugging our children in school if they show any signs of ADHD. I am not sure that diagnoises even exists. I'll tell you this much, never did I ever see a class disrupted or the teachers not have control where I went to school. What about the chemtrails. What about the educational system? What about lying to go to war with Iraq? What about 911 and all of the unanswered questions there? On and On it goes until there is no end. I do not know that Ahamadinejad has done any of these things to his people.

Are you aware that in a study that Clinton had done it states that there is a 80,000% mark up on drugs. This is absolutely criminal. And watch how many of the ads are for drugs every night as you watch TV. The FDA's studies and salaries are paid for by most of the drug companies.

We need to stop listening to the spin that the corporate media has put on this man, Ahadenijad because it is all bullshit. Your own government has lied and lied and lied and lied to the people. They have no credibility at all. The media is the tool of the Corporations and NWO. Sometimes in your post you seem to forget that and echo their statements. Quite frankly we have more problems right here at home with the theiving bastards that we have than to be worried about Ahmadinejad.

It is interesting that we lived with Russia who had over 40.000 nuclear weapons and now we are frightened about a country like Iran getting one nuclear weapon! It is all lies one more time. Plus we have all kinds of weapons pointing right at Iran right now!

Quite frankly I truly believe that if we could really and truly get at the truth and laid Ahmadinejad record next to Bush's record about the atrocities they committed against their own people you might just be astounded. You might find that Bush is much more of a dictator and criminal than Ah adinejad And that is just against us, his own people. What if we threw into the mix what Bush has managed to do to the people of Iraq and Afghanistan and is contemplating doing in Iran? Has Ahamadinejad even come close to Bushes atrocities...................not by a long shot. He does not have the power or the weapons. Iran has never invaded another nation.

Bush and that fool of a Cheney think that we the American people are going to believe that it was Alii Baba and his forty thieves who took down the towers too.............yeah right! A guy supposedly living in a cave in Afghanistan with his band really had the opportunity and the where with all to take down the towers!

Or better yet the story that a bunch of Saudis living in Afghanistan took down the towers so we went to war in Iraq. That is exactly what they are forcing us to believe. Say it to yourself! Then say it to yourself looking in the mirror. How bloody stupid is that? Can any American with any sense even harbor such a belief.

No I do not even think Ahmadinejad can come close to the tyrany and betrayal that Bush has done to his own people. By the way he has also given himself the power of a dictator wihen he signed the documents HSPD-20 and NSPD-51 in May, 2007.

Now Bush has the FEMA camps and hundreds of thousands more police. There are cameras all over the place, wiretapping, seraching without warrants and abolished Habaes Corpus. He has erroded the Constitution, set up corrupt admiralty courts and erroded the Bill of Rights. What more can he do to us? Is that not dictating his will over the American people? We did not even have those kinds of restrictions during the second world war! Did you sign up for this..............I sure as hell didn't!

And as far as the f-----g Federal Reserve goes............remember they were to be the reserve to prop up the dollar in times of crisis. Well we saw who they prop up didn't we. The stock market. They are allowing the dollar to plunge thereby raising the cost of everything. We have become slaves in our own land.

As far as controlling the oil ..............America has effectively done that for a great number of years Johnny. Our big oil companies were paying them a pittence per barrel for years and making a fortune off of us here. Back in the 70's oil sold for $19.00 a barrel and it was not until they Arabs created OPEC that they finally got a decent price for their oil.

The United States does not have a stake in Iranian Oil that was British Partoleum's piece of the pie and they want it back! And of course the bully boys are going to go in and pound hell out of the country until they give in. I have never in my life been more ashamed of America as I am now.

They do not hate us for our freedoms and our way of life ...... although they could as far as some of our culture is concerned. When you get women creating false brests with silicone, men taking their little blue pill and the country hooked on all kinds of drugs both legal and illegal, plus young women who have reached some amount of fame flashing without panties for all to see .....that is a rather repulsive and decadent society you must admit!

Oh yes let's not forget the violence, the drive by shootings and the gangs. That is really something that any other country would want their youth to emulate right?

They hate us for forcing our way of life into their country and trying to steal and plunder their countries for it's main wealth. This is exactly what England did when she was an empire and I for one do not admire those crazy bastards either

What is this question about why he was allowed to come here all about?

Iran is part of the United Nations. The man is President and came to address the United Nations because America is threatening to attack his country and kill his people........... that's why! At least he has the goodness of heart and the humility to come and try to stave off the mad men at his countries door on behalf of his people. The fact that the United Nations happens to be in America is not even relevent. And yes I too am concerned about survival of the species. Cheney has said that nuclear weapons are not off the table!

It is sheer madness pure and simple. The greed and lust for power is as addictive as any drug and this President claims that he is a recovering alcoholic/cocaine addict............No he is not in recovery he just switched addictions.........to greed and power! He is absolutely power drunk and that is why he hears and listens to no one.

The Zionists in New York had what is called a purimfest and were out in force to try and make a mockery of this man. Shame on them and shame on us if we do not come out and condem this behavior. The Zionists were out in droves to try and force the United Nations to knock off Iran and they want the American government to use our tax payers' dollars to do it!

Instead they made a mockery of themselves and their wonderful Jewish heritage. The whole world now knows that there is a 9 trillion pound Zionist gorrilla in our midst and we have to do something about reigning it in. We can not continue this madness and expect to survive as a people.

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my opinion was based upon the reaction of the people in reference to the iranian president's arrival. considering that people are sheep, it shouldn't surprise me that they would react this way. also the american media was continually reporting years ago that american operatives were trying to initiate a insurrection in iran so that the president could be overthrown.

When it comes to our jobs the media and the government try to report that the unmployment rate is down when it is higher than ever. i know that bush is a criminal and that he needs to be impeached . i've sent several e-mails to both us senators in my state urging for bush's impeachment but no response yet. i know that the media is a tool of the government and that they will say and do absolutely anything to make the government look like their shit doesn't stink. i posted an article in this forum about the subject of the 9/11 official report being proven false. alot of people including structural engineers, scientists, physicists, etc. have looked at what happened on 9/11 and have proven it was a controlled demolition. if you ever google 9/11, specifically look for building 7 and what happened to it on 9/11. american does control the oil but currently saudi arabia is ditching the dollar and if iran does develop nuclear technology then it doesn't have to sell oil to america or the british and they can make the regime hurt really bad. JFK knew that we couldn't be or become an empire or police the world. he knew what america's role could and should be and because he wouldn't do what the ptb wanted him to, they killed him. it's also been proven that IEDs are extremely easy to manufacture so any country including our own could've sold them to "terrorist" groups to frame iran and murder some more innocent people.

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it's a pretty safe bet that, if our government is against it, we should be for it--and vice versa.

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It is a shame that even amongst the many intelligent people who realize that freedom has it's back against a wall (despite the media) there are still many who can't seem to clear themselves of other misconceptions. Ideas given to us by the mainstream news, churches,,,,, The recent bashing of Iran's leader by so many people seems ridiculous to me. I think that I have only heard 2 of his speeches (one given in Iran and one given at the UN) and my take on it was mixed. In general he speaks about peace and the rights of countries to make decisions for themselves (something that we are demanding for ourselves), he has condemned the media (don't blame him for that), condemned the US government (fine with me), repeatedly made religious references (not so fine with me, politicians should leave religion out of it). I have the impression that most people can't seem to get a clear picture of such people simply because of the propaganda that we are hammered with daily. "No", I really doubt that this Iranian fellow is necessarily a good guy, in fact I really doubt that any of the politicians are good guys. But, if I totally disregard the main stream medias opinion of him and Iran,,,, I really have very little reason to single him (or Iran) out as being something exceptionally bad. As someone else already noted it would be interesting to do a comparison with the US leaders and government to those in Iran. Another war is clearly the wrong thing to do and the US has no right to bother Iran. If we are so interested in this undisclosed nuclear program then why don't we go after Israel and not Iran? If we are attacking countries because of human rights then Iran would not be near the top of the list either (What about Burma?). I have the impression that the Iranian leader only wants to inform the world of the oppressive activities and the less than holy plans for the future which are the intent of the power mongers in our world.

Let's not be influenced by the demonization of people we really don't know anything about in a distant land. We need to focus on the "bad guys" that are in our faces at present..... You know the types that want to make us all slaves.