Getting an address - I wonder if this thread is another, but more subtle, invitation to us to make comments that would be either incriminating, or which would provide probable cause that would justify the issuance of warrants. So far no one has crossed the line. Perhaps

Newbie Joined: Aug 31, 2007 Posts: 32

Following someone to his home to get his address is legal

Newbie Joined: Jun 14, 2007 Posts: 73

It can also be the last thing a person does before getting their ass kicked.

**Member** Joined: Jun 12, 2007 Posts: 2960

If you're talking about where the U.S. Marshals live..........Then I say it is better to get your ass kicked than to lose your freedoms.

IF YOU ARE NOT SEEING THE NAZIS THAT ARE TAKING OVER THE GOVENMENT, YOU ARE NAZIING WITH THEM!

A great statement made by Warren Cuccorellio from Duran Duran. We have them on the run folks.............but they can't hide!

Recruit Joined: Sep 14, 2007 Posts: 140

1 GPS unit- 40$
1 roll of duct tape- 4$

Endless shinanigans with nazi vehicles-
Twisted Evil

priceless

There are some things debt notes can't buy. For everything else, there's liberty dollars.

Newbie Joined: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 77

Make it happen. Anything goes. Poison ivy. What part of WAR 360 isn't understood? McGyver the bastards. WAR! Sorry, Ed, the point of no return has been exceeded, sorry Elaine, we have decided on gunpowder.
The fact must be understood- that misbehavior by feds in NH brings hell upon all of them anywhere citizens find them. Expect some mysteriousness.

Newbie Joined: Aug 31, 2007 Posts: 32

NathanHalesrelative wrote:

It can also be the last thing a person does before getting their ass kicked.

It as shame !

It's shameful

I always love to find out where cops live

just a curiousity

Newbie Joined: Jun 14, 2007 Posts: 73

Well Xeper has started an interesting thread. I agree that we should be taking action and that covert shenanigans have their place. I don't believe that they will be useful without further actions such as clear confrontation which I feel is inevitable.

This forum is great because it is a place where people who are rather ignorant to the facts can bring themselves up to speed with some of the things that this government is doing. Many of the people who write on this forum have put out a lot of very good detailed information and without a doubt have spent a lot of their time acquiring the information before posting it here. I am thankful to those who take the time to do this.

In light of the fact that clearly stated opinions and information are helpful I must say that the posts made by Xeper are for the most part vague. If you could take the time to write full coherent paragraphs it would be appreciated. If you are here to attack others then maybe you should put your efforts out into the real world instead of the internet and go after the enemies of freedom. If I have misinterpreted your intention then don't blame me,,,,, clarify yourself. If your response to this is to make trouble with me then I can only suggest that you do that in the real world because I haven't enough time to play word games here.

In regards to getting your ass-kicked:
My original remark about this was made to point out that if you are going to be following people around then you should be prepared for circumstances that you may find yourself in (in this case I should have been more clear). If you are going to involve yourself with such activities then do it well and make sure that you don't lose your chance to fight another day. It is easy to notice that you are being followed and if someone is aware that they are being followed they can choose where you will be and where they can confront you at (the last time I was followed the person found themeself laying on the street with a bus bearing down on them, I just happened to be standing nearby and was able to pull them out of harms way at the very last moment). The point I am trying to make is jumping into such activities unprepared may not be the wisest thing to do. If you know what you are doing and what you will gain by doing it is worth it then go for it. Just make sure you are successful.

Newbie Joined: Aug 31, 2007 Posts: 32

NathanHalesrelative wrote:

(the last time I was followed the person found themeself laying on the street with a bus bearing down on them, I just happened to be standing nearby and was able to pull them out of harms way at the very last moment)

"themeself laying on the street..."

What I tell you is that an officer is personal responsible for what he or she may do

Keeping someone personally responsible is the ONLY way to go

I myself make someone who abuses me personally bleed for that; anyway

It might be not a fight on the street; but he or she will in the end know that there is a pay back(for justice is not in court and expensive)

My justice is quick and dirty

One day; maybe years later; he or she will get it : shit what the hell is this...

Compare it with karma

I myself am very into revanchisme (professionally)

I can not close a chapter when justice has not been done

Initiate Joined: Jun 20, 2007 Posts: 430

I wonder if this thread is another, but more subtle, invitation to us to make comments that would be either incriminating, or which would provide probable cause that would justify the issuance of warrants.

So far no one has crossed the line. Perhaps we can continue while being suspicious.

"Shadowing" is the term for conducting surveillance by following someone. You learn it by shadowing people you know, people who would not object. Carry a couple of different hats. A light jacket that can be reversed is useful. You can follow a person from in front if you have the means to look back.

Of course many hands make light work.

One useful result of this type of practice is that it gives you insights into countersurveillance. If you are being followed, and you know it, you are in a position of advantage, as you can lead the surveillance team wherever you want them to go. Typically you'd call a friend and have him set up a camera in a building with a good view of the street. Pass by it every once in a while. Then it's a matter of following the followers.

Wikipedia has a useful article on GPS tracking: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPS_tracking

Notice there are different type of trackers. What you want is a GPS data logger. The trackers that report every few minutes are only suitable for tracking fleets of cars, or for law enforcement. Using one in an unauthorized way is illegal and would probably be detected. On the other hand, if you want one, they're easy to get--just look under the bumper of your car. Wink

Here are a couple of vendors just to show some products available. I've not dealt with them.

http://www.brickhousesecurity.com/gps-car-tracking-vehicle-logging.html
http://www.hacking-gps.com/gps-notes/archives/2007/09/small_is_beauti.php

Recruit Joined: Sep 14, 2007 Posts: 140

I think that as long as we discuss possibilities, and not methods, we can avoid trouble for now. If you just had to post something incrtiminating, I would make an alter-ego and log in from a different device in a public location, do not pay for wi-fi to do this. (do not go to starbucks) because your debit/credit card can be traced.
This keeps you anonymous and hard to trace.
Obviously do not write anything to connect the alter with the original name.

**Member** Joined: Jun 12, 2007 Posts: 2960

I feel that this thread could very well be a subtle way to have us incriminate ourselves.

Give them another few years and if things continue along the repressive lines that we have seen in the recent past, there probably will no longer even be forums such as this or showedthelaw. They certainly hate the freedom of information act!

After the intimidation of Danny Riley during his June 7 arrest, to be quiet and not to go public with what happened to him, then with the vendetta that occurred on Sept.12 because he choose to make a video, I say enough is enough. We can no longer be naive enough to believe that U.S. Marshal Monier, Sheriff Prozzo, Chief Gillens, Governor Lynch or Judge McAuliffe are looking for a peaceful solution to the situation with the Browns. Their actions prove that it has only escellated matters to a higher level. Show us your jurisdiction!

Added to the above action, is the fact that they barged into Mr. Chuck Riley's quarters with out any search warrant. They went through all of his belongings knowing full well that he was in no way involved. Show us your jurisdiction!

Then they took Terry Melton into custody and threatened to make his life miserable even if it took 15 years, and that they would sodomize him.
Show us your jurisdiction! Is this what we want from people who are supposed to be protedting us?

When people are dealing with this type of mindset on the part of law enforcement, it would be naive indeed for us to think that they would not try to incrimidate us in any way possible.

Hopefully Terry Melton and Danny Riley will bring suit against the agency and agents involved. When these lawsuits are won, as i am sure they will be, maybe enforcement will clean up their acts. It is time for them to stop their incrimidating and intimidating tactics.

Until then document, document and document. That is the only way we will prove how far these enforcement agencies overstep their boundries on decent law abiding citizens.

Recruit Joined: Jul 03, 2007 Posts: 237

in some states, including the one in which i reside, it is considered stalking to follow someone unless you have a license to engage in that activity--such as a PI license.

Newbie Joined: Sep 09, 2007 Posts: 7

UlyssesEator wrote:

in some states, including the one in which i reside, it is considered stalking to follow someone unless you have a license to engage in that activity--such as a PI license.

You mean a license issued by the government, U? Isn't that proof enough that the government authorizes criminal activity for those who are willing to contract with the government and purchase permission?

Government apes want licenses for everything, to drive, to defend someone in court, to have a damned parade or gathering. F**k that, I don't need a license to live.

Where is the Bill of Rights? Where in the Constitution does it say I have to ask the government's permission to do anything or that the government is authorized to sell waivers of administrative law to people seeking permission to break administrative law?

Corporate government thugs have been stalking me for over ten years simply because I refuse to be a guilt ridden self loathing slug who is willing to assume responsibility for things that happened long before I was even born. To hell with that.

I live by God's law not a bunch of administrative "rules" made by people I never agreed to have represent me. I can represent my own interests without help from some overpaid mouthpiece who can't get it right in the first place Evil or Very Mad

Fuck that and fuck them!

Initiate Joined: Jun 20, 2007 Posts: 430

Here's something fun. There's a new type of phosphorescent powder that glows for 12 hours after it absorbs some sunlight. Get it from http://www.unitednuclear.com/glow.htm

It is used (hypothetically) on unmarked patrol cars and other vehicles that one (hypothetically) wants to keep track of. For example, it would be possible to write a number in glue of the roof and then sprinkle powder on that, or else to mix the powder with a liquid like lacquer or shellac.

Theoretically, one would use techniques pioneered by graffiti artists: they empty out liquid shoe polish applicators and roll-on or stick deodorant containers, and then make them into a paint applicator.

Once the powder is applied, just get to an elevated observation post and map out the patterns. Use (hypothetically) a different number for each vehicle.

Of course this might be a tad illegal if it is done without consent. I'll probably use it in the plot of a novel I'm writing.

Newbie Joined: Sep 18, 2007 Posts: 20

Xeper wrote:

Following someone to his home to get his address is legal

Wow that sounds really dangerous to me. I personally would find another way so I did not end up shot. Get a name and use your brain. You can find most anything. Much better than making yourself a lone target.

**Member** Joined: Jun 12, 2007 Posts: 2960

Absolutely JohsF! We have the brains and there is all kinds of way to get their addresses.

Recruit Joined: Sep 14, 2007 Posts: 140

I want that book ahmed. Think Target will carry it?
You could always put fictional, sci-fi police methods into the plot. Onstar, cell phone eavesdropping, ect. It would be a best-seller.

Hey josh,
use YELLOWbook.com

Newbie Joined: Sep 18, 2007 Posts: 20

sickleye wrote:

I want that book ahmed. Think Target will carry it?
You could always put fictional, sci-fi police methods into the plot. Onstar, cell phone eavesdropping, ect. It would be a best-seller.

Hey josh,
use YELLOWbook.com

Never tried that one. The internet is great for finding people. I once found an ebay seller that was trying to stiff me. Following someone home is the last resort. Ask the DEP guy who followed me home.

Initiate Joined: Jun 20, 2007 Posts: 430

This is for the "evil genius", assuming you're 16 years old...

101 Spy Gadgets for the Evil Genius (Paperback)
by Brad Graham (Author), Kathy McGowan

# Paperback: 259 pages
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# Language: English
# ISBN-10: 0071468943
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Newbie Joined: Jul 31, 2007 Posts: 9

Just don't do all your following at once, or by yourself, or a combination of both.

These people are predicable automatons. They repeat the same patterns every day; it is the basis of their whole operation.

Follow only a mile one day. Try not to follow around more than one turn or corner. Then the next day pick up at that point when they drive by again. Use a different car. Or, have someone else you trust. Wait a few days, etc. Add pieces to the trail gradually. You can guess, and not use a vehicle. wait at a bus stop you think they might pass, if they do, you just got another piece of the trial and you were probably never even looked at; and can't be asked for your papers (yet), like you can in a vehicle. You could even become familiar, but not unusual "the guy I see on the bike every morning with the beard" that isn't a real beard, etc.

Always have a good reason for being where you are and a destination for where you're going (when you are in a vehicle). You don't need one, but when/if questioned, standing up for yourself just makes you stand out. Play their game to be forgettable if faced with the need. Never be seen there again after such an encounter.

A couple weeks and you know. And you didn't "follow" them really... You just happened to show up in the same place a few times.

On the job, they are even more predictable. In fact, they don't often get a choice, their boss tells them where to be and when.

Often, their offices have strict hours. Or a special place they all do lunch every Thursday, etc....

Your enemy is only a tough adversary when he is expecting it, and these types are VERY much into the rhythm of 'turning it off' once they punch the clock and head home. These sorts are much easier targets when they aren't on the offensive; they never go on the defensive because when have they ever had to? They attack and plan to attack. They're only alert and aware when they are attacking us. That's all they do. They assume that the only confrontations with violence or shenanigans they will ever encounter; are those of their own planning, and on their own schedule, and in the places of their own choosing. Outside of that, they have their guard down. They have to relax and call it a day at some point. They're not even looking for you. The thought rarely ever crosses their minds; that they, the ultimate superiority, could be the prey instead of the predator.

Predators do not expect to be hunted, and rarely think about it, much less prepare for it. Especially those who have a lifestyle pattern of it and always get away with it. Don't give them a reason to perk up from their slumber and arrogance; and they won't. Your greatest ally is keeping it that way.

You really want to get their attention? Deliver the same benign note twice, but from, supposedly, two completely unrelated sources that make no sense to have sent the exact same thing... A fake electric bill in an envelope from a mechanic's shop... Next week, the same fake electric bill in an envelope from a doctor's office, marked 2nd notice... Do not attempt to embed any hidden message in it anywhere. Make sure it's postmarked from their local post office, not the origin addresses of the mechanic's shop and doctor's office used. Smile

It's time for them to be the ones looking over their shoulders, I agree.