So true - You're right, Ron Paul won't be elected. If, by some ridiculous chance, he were, he'd be killed in no time flat (assuming he actually went to work hacking away at the system as is needed). I won't be voting ever, so it's not a concern of mine. I'm no

Newbie Joined: Apr 25, 2007 Posts: 5

I'm sure I will be blasted for this but I have had my reasons. He we go: I am 41 years old and I have never voted. I support my country and the constitution but I have always felt the 'political machine' is so corrupt that there is no point in voting. I've made some effort to educate myself as I believe an uneducated vote is worse than no vote.

I stumbled across the story of Ed Brown yesterday and have been consumed with reading the literature from the two or three We The People organizations and it articulates exactly what I have felt all along.

So, that being said (and always feeling as though if I am going to complain about a system I should be able to answer with a solution) who do put in charge that sees the problem and can fix it? We can't fire them all.

Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:54 am

Well, first and foremost you need to watch this documantary by Aaron Russo that will explain everything to you in an easy to understand format and I'm sure most of us here have watched it many times.
The system is completely corrupt and voting and playing along does no good at all. A vote for the lesser of 2 evils is still a vote for evil so why bother.
Go here www.freedomtofascism.com and take the time to watch the documentary, it's free to watch, trust me (all of us), you will be given the power of knowledge. Wink

You can also Google "Freedom to Fascism" and watch it for free. Be sure to watch the complete version, not just the trailer.

Newbie Joined: Apr 25, 2007 Posts: 5

The more I read the more scared I become. The more scared I become the more I am moved to react. I am also not one to take things at face value.

Where can I independently validate that National Identification Cards will be required by 05/2008?

Where are the plans documented about RFID chips?

I have NO doubt about the rigging of computer voting machines. I think the current system is totally bogus and full of fraud. I have never understood why all the secrecy around voting. Show me my vote and everyone elses and then I'll believe it was counted.

Damn I am mad!!!

Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:56 am

Please watch the documentary America: Freedom to Fascism at www.freedomtofascism.com it's free to watch there. It will tie all of the puzzle pieces together for you- I guarantee it! Exclamation

Site Admin Joined: Apr 03, 2007 Posts: 580

Google "Real ID Act"

read all about it. It details the national ID

Recruit Joined: Apr 15, 2007 Posts: 193

it will bake your noodle but you will be stronger in the info you get on the decsions you make on your rights.

Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:45 pm

You are already on the right track rumblecow, keep digging, and you'll probably find more than you ever even WANTED to know. Don't be afraid, BE PREPARED! It is OK to be mad, and even better to use that anger and outrage to your advantage. As my good friend Randy says: (and he kind of lifted it from me... LOL!) "I would never advocate doing anything that would be considered unconstitutional" That is a lesson to be learned! Do a little investigating into EXACTLY WHAT that statement means...

As stated above, working within the system is going to be a failure serving only to frustrate and dissapoint you. So you must EXPAND the definition of working within the system. The system includes the Constitution, look into constitutional remedies for litigious problems, like redress of grievence, and barring that, there is always the "reset button". I am anxiously awaiting the right time to pull out the big guns and hit that button, but I will bide my time, like a sniper, watching and waiting for the correct moment to strike, knowing full well that one wrong move or misstep will wind up getting you killed. Your best bet at this point is to educate yourself with as much information as possible on as many subjects as possible to keep yourself and your loved ones safe in the event of catastrophy, and of course, arm yourself HEAVILY.

Newbie Joined: Apr 25, 2007 Posts: 5

Fritz013 -- Interesting that you mention arming yourself. I just came back from purchasing a gun. I've always worried that my little .38 wouldn't stop someone so I have "upgraded". Given what it sounds like they have done already against the Constitution I was concerned that the right to purchase just might be taken away sooner than later.

Newbie Joined: Apr 25, 2007 Posts: 5

Got this from epic.org -- Damn. I won't be renewing my driver's license again. Guess I won't be flying anywhere.

The REAL ID Act of 2005
Summary

The REAL ID Act of 2005 creates a de facto national identification card. Ostensibly voluntary, it would become mandatory as those without the card would face suspicion and increased scrutiny. It is a law imposing federal technological standards and verification procedures on state driver's licenses and identification cards, many of which are beyond the current capacity of the federal government, and mandating state compliance by May 2008. In fact, REAL ID turns state DMV workers into federal immigration officials, as they must verify the citizenship status of all those who want a REAL ID-approved state driver's license or identification cards. State DMVs would far move away from their core mission -- to license drivers.

REAL ID was appended to a bill providing tsunami relief and military appropriations, and passed with little debate and no hearings. The REAL ID Act repealed provisions in the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004, which contained "carefully crafted language -- bipartisan language -- to establish standards for States issuing driver's licenses," according to Sen. Richard Durbin. After more than two years, the Department of Homeland Security issued draft regulations for state compliance on March 1, 2007.

The National Conference of State Legislatures estimates (pdf) that that the cost to the states will be more than $11 billion over five years. This is more than 100 times the $100 million cost that Congress initially estimated. For 2006, $40 million was allocated for start-up costs. No more funding has been allocated, and it is likely that the cost will be shouldered by the public.

How will the REAL ID Act affect state driver's licenses and identification cards (DL/ID)?

If the Department of Homeland Security Secretary doesn't grant a state an extension to meet the certification requirements, then by May 11, 2008 (three years after passage of the REAL ID Act), states must meet the following standards to be accepted for federal use (entrance into a courthouse, onto a plane; receiving federal benefits, such as Social Security or Medicare). After more than two years, the Department of Homeland Security issued draft regulations on March 1, 2007, explaining how the states can meet these standards. The EPIC analysis of the potential privacy implications follows the enumeration of the each set of standards.

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I've flown without ID before. I was with my parents, so it wasn't hard. But I've heard of other people flying without ID. If it can't be done, don't worry about it. I think driving is safer anyhow.

I wouldn't get any kind of a permit or license to travel, if I were you. It's absurd to need permission. Difficult decision, isn't it?!

Just remember, friend, that freedom comes from within. To be free, all you must do is choose. The choice may not always be easy, but it's the RIGHT choice (if freedom is what you wish). You of course are FREE to choose Smile

The only way for the general public to restore freedom, is to boycott the system. We need to work out of the system -- to disregard it period. Nothing else will do it. There's NO WAY TO WORK WITHIN the system. I tried for a number of years, and I realized this. Save yourself a few years, and take some advice from those who've tried Smile

Most people just pick their "pet" subject. Mine was gun control. I started an organization and worked my butt off. I wound up getting arrested 3 times (never broke a law). I voted, encouraged others to, walked door-to-door campaigning, put up signs, all sorts of ridiculous stuff. None of it will help -- I promise you. The system is DESIGNED this way.

So we have all of these "special interest" groups. Taxes, guns, this, that, war, the other thing, etc. We're all separated, screaming for our own piece of the pie. I don't want to eat pie anymore, if it's stinky tyrant pie. I will eat freedom only.

Forget the system -- it is nothing you need, nothing that will help you. Welcome to the freedom movement, brother!

Newbie Joined: Apr 21, 2007 Posts: 12

RumbleCow wrote:

Fritz013 -- Interesting that you mention arming yourself. I just came back from purchasing a gun. I've always worried that my little .38 wouldn't stop someone so I have "upgraded". Given what it sounds like they have done already against the Constitution I was concerned that the right to purchase just might be taken away sooner than later.

Guys. I appreciate you vigilance, but for your own good don't let your enemies know about what arms you possess.

Newbie Joined: Apr 21, 2007 Posts: 12

RumbleCow wrote:

I'm sure I will be blasted for this but I have had my reasons. He we go: I am 41 years old and I have never voted. I support my country and the constitution but I have always felt the 'political machine' is so corrupt that there is no point in voting. I've made some effort to educate myself as I believe an uneducated vote is worse than no vote.

I stumbled across the story of Ed Brown yesterday and have been consumed with reading the literature from the two or three We The People organizations and it articulates exactly what I have felt all along.

So, that being said (and always feeling as though if I am going to complain about a system I should be able to answer with a solution) who do put in charge that sees the problem and can fix it? We can't fire them all.

Rumblecow. I know how you feel about voting. However let me suggest this to you. If you are not a registered voter you may never be able to sit on a jury. If you are a registered voter you don't have to vote for the president but this time we have Ron Paul running and he needs every vote he can get. Also your vote for reps in congress can help force those A holes into rethinking their policies. Vote at the state level and help prevent fascist from going to Washington DC. But Most of all we must fill the jury pool with people like us. A time will come where the courts will have no where else to go for jurers except from a pool of educated people

Newbie Joined: Apr 21, 2007 Posts: 12

These blogs are being read by people from Washington DC, who work for members of congress. Don't kid yourself. Let these people know that we are not about to withdraw from the political process any time soon. Just look at the difference in the responses from the people at Ron Paul's youtube web cast compared to the other candidates. He blows them all out of the water! The governments know that the internet has all but replaced the boob tube when it come to the number of people watching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apwhcAXu-oo

Listen to my message on youtube. Rate it. Help me get those stars so other people will become interested in listening. As time goes on I will update with accual video instead of a photo. But for now the message is what counts

Newbie Joined: Apr 21, 2007 Posts: 12

Shaun wrote:

I've flown without ID before. I was with my parents, so it wasn't hard. But I've heard of other people flying without ID. If it can't be done, don't worry about it. I think driving is safer anyhow.

I wouldn't get any kind of a permit or license to travel, if I were you. It's absurd to need permission. Difficult decision, isn't it?!

Just remember, friend, that freedom comes from within. To be free, all you must do is choose. The choice may not always be easy, but it's the RIGHT choice (if freedom is what you wish). You of course are FREE to choose Smile

The only way for the general public to restore freedom, is to boycott the system. We need to work out of the system -- to disregard it period. Nothing else will do it. There's NO WAY TO WORK WITHIN the system. I tried for a number of years, and I realized this. Save yourself a few years, and take some advice from those who've tried Smile

Most people just pick their "pet" subject. Mine was gun control. I started an organization and worked my butt off. I wound up getting arrested 3 times (never broke a law). I voted, encouraged others to, walked door-to-door campaigning, put up signs, all sorts of ridiculous stuff. None of it will help -- I promise you. The system is DESIGNED this way.

So we have all of these "special interest" groups. Taxes, guns, this, that, war, the other thing, etc. We're all separated, screaming for our own piece of the pie. I don't want to eat pie anymore, if it's stinky tyrant pie. I will eat freedom only.

Forget the system -- it is nothing you need, nothing that will help you. Welcome to the freedom movement, brother!

Shaun you words are so true. But the only way to bring down the enemy is from within. I am distributing Aaron's video to every member of the gun club I belong to. Most of the 360 members are unaware of what is going on in America because they believe the BS from the NRA. The NRA has polarized gun owners and kept them from realizing the more important issues. Try to understand that you will have great power if you master the art of propaganda. Hide among the masses like a cancer and influence the thoughts and ideas of the sheeple. You will be amazed how powerful you can be. I have been hounded by the IRS on and off for 14 years and to date they are more worried about the spread of Aaron's movie than any other thing I have done. They have even gone so far as to interrogate my customers about where they got the video. I know I am only one man, but I am having an impact that will help shape the future.

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 1:09 pm

Al-

In regards to your advice to rumblecow above about letting folks know that you are armed. I for one ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to live my life in fear of what the Federales know about me, or what they might do to me etc... I should not fear them, THEY SHOULD FEAR ME! It is a very simple and easy to convey message, and I wish that more folks would speak it.

YOU DO NOT SERVE THEM! THEY SERVE YOU!

Why does it matter if they know that I am armed? I would think that it would be MORE DANGEROUS if they knew that you were UNARMED. Listen very carefully because this is very important- The Federales only have as much power over you as YOU give them, no more than that. If EVERYBODY would stand up and tell them in no uncertain terms "WE ARE NOT GOING TO STAND FOR THIS ANY LONGER!" This has been my attitude, my way of life for over 20 years, and in that amount of time, I've been trying to inform as many folks as I can, and give them the courage to stand up to those Federale bullies. I would rather only have 33 years (my current age) of freedom, and die tomorrow than to live my life in fear, always wondering what THEY are thinking, are THEY watching me, what are THEY going to do if I don't do as they say, etc... Personally, I do not care even a little what other folks do or think as long as they do not infringe upon my life, liberty or pursuit of happiness. THAT is my golden rule, THAT is how I live my life, and any of the Federales that are reading this and logging my information can GO AND *^$%& THEMSELVES! If you want me, come and get me, but be sure to bring more weapons to the party than I have, so that we can have some REAL FUN!

Living in fear is no way to live, and that is EXACTLY what they are trying to instill in every man, woman, and child in this country, so that THEY can become the heros, the saviour that saved us from the big bad terrorists (or communists, or jews, or homosexuals, or illegals, or whatever the flavor of the week is...) No matter what IT is that they are trying to save us from, you need to ask yourself "Do I NEED to be saved?"

A life without the freedom to say/do what I want is no life at all, it is akin to a day without a sunrise.

And you know, as much as I like Ron Paul and his ideals, there is absolutely NO WAY that he will be elected, as the Federales simply will not allow it. You are aware that they control the votes and the elections right? How do you think that W got "elected" twice?! I agree with Shaun, BOYCOTT THE SYSTEM!

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You're right, Ron Paul won't be elected. If, by some ridiculous chance, he were, he'd be killed in no time flat (assuming he actually went to work hacking away at the system as is needed).

I won't be voting ever, so it's not a concern of mine. I'm not a part of this government, or under its jurisdiction or rule -- so why would I vote?

I really like what you said, Fritz, because that outlines the deal well. It is true that they only have what control WE give them. Granted, they have control of men and women and systems that can be used to harm us. They do have some DIRECT control in our lives that we can't just wish away. For this type of control, we will have to take action. There's another control they have, though, that's probably even worse -- psychological control. If we fear them and let them control our actions by this fear -- we're GIVING them control that we needn't give up. We have to limit their power on both fronts. It's not hard either Smile

Thanks for the great discussion Smile