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Ed and Elaine support, Danny Riley from New Jersey, is attacked by federal and state agents in gilly suits. He is first fired upon and hears two shots whiz past his head. Then he is shocked with a taser and tackled onto the ground, kidnapped, drug through the woods, taken to various locations and interrogated, strip-searched, and finally release (indeed, walking a dog with a cup of coffee is not a crime). He's threatened into talking with many many lies.
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U.S. Marshall Steve Monier tells more truth than lies this time, and admits multiple times that they grabbed Danny because he discovered them, possibly foiling their plot to attack and kill Ed & Elaine! Know your enemies: this guy is just a spokesperson for the higher-ups. He takes his orders and will probably take the fall if things go back. It is corrupt, cowardice pigs like this guy that give the new world order and other evil movements their strength. These guys are the "useful idiots" and the "cannon-fodder" for tyrants. When will they learn?
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This is another MUST LISTEN for all of us here on MTS. Pete explains so clearly how the structure works and how non tax payers were going to have funds withheld also. The recourse for that is the 1040 (legal claim) refund to get your money back.
The entire IRS relies on bluff and wants you to be scared.
What the hell is the difference between the IRS goons and the Mafia protection racket!
JD-Spydo Member
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Posted:
Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:26 pm
I'm listening to Ralph Winterrowd on RBN this evening. He claims that a lot of Hendrickson's stuff will get you thrown in jail if you don't use a very narrow procedure. I have not yet read Mr. Hendrickson's book but I do think that he is a good man. I caution everyone to be very careful of all of these methods that claim to beat the system.
And you always have to factor in the fact that the courts are no longer even playing by the rules. And the constantly change rules in the middle of the game.
Caution is the word.
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MaidMarion Member
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Posted:
Sun Aug 03, 2008 8:01 pm
Hendrickson uses the Congressional method. It is not his method it is taken from the exact record. You need to listen to Peter Hendrickson on Sofia Smallstormn show on RBN that I posted. It is the only thing that makes sense. According to Peter not one of the people who have filed this way have ever ended up in jail. People are receiving their refunds and even in the case where they asked for the money back ........just for PR............they quietly then send the refunds back a year later.
I'll listen to this show too.
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Posted:
Sun Aug 03, 2008 8:37 pm
Maidmarion I admit that Ralph Winterrowd does come across rather sternly at times. However I've been listening to him for about the last month and he is starting to make a lot of sense to me.
I have no doubt that Peter Hendrickson's research is well founded as well.
The point that I was trying to make is with the tyranny that we are currently under the government doesn't honor any of their rules if they want to fry you bad enough. Ed & Elaine didn't break any rules or laws or code and they got judicially raped without even a chance to make any argument or call any witnesses and they were denied when they tried to make motions within the court. It was rigged so bad with them that they could have had an army of attorneys and I doubt if it would have made much difference ( if any).
I agree that Peter Hendrickson is a brilliant man based on everything I've heard about him. I'm sure he has really done his homework. My point is that you have to have both sides play by the rules to have a fair trial or even the concept of "the rule of law" as far as that goes. Unfortunately at this time I dont' think we have either.
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MaidMarion Member
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Posted:
Sun Aug 03, 2008 10:09 pm
Well I pulled the Ralph Winterrows show out of the archives. Russ the fellow who called in had not read the book or had Ralph. Also Russ had only one remark to make and did not really sound as though he knew what he was talking about. Ralph only spent a few minutes on it and totlly trashed Peter Book and all of his research.
I would have felt better if Ralph had read the book and knew what Peter was writing about.
I have listened to this show before and he does sound like someone who knows what he is talking about. But he runs through it all so fast and just keeps quoting code numbers that I find I don't learn anything.
What I would love to see is a discussion between both Ralph and Peter. I am sure that would clear things up a lot.
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Posted:
Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:18 am
Just got done listening to it. Wheewww, it took me 10 days Obviously I'm a bit behind on checking out some of y'alls key posts.
I have got the sense from the above posts JD that you haven't listened to it, right?
CtC, A:F2F, MoneyMasters, and Zeitgeist are the main things I'm sharing with people. Please watch Pete's movie, and listen to this audio, or read his book. Ed and Elaine, Wesley, Sherry Peel Jackson, ..... would not be in prison had they read Pete's simple, straight-forward book. I really stress this to at least listen to this audio, even if it takes until next April: http://tinyurl.com/5jxonv It's the Aug. 1st one.
Or better yet, forget the above and order the book to read asap. $3,151,000.00 is the amount readers have gotten back from Fed. or State (and it grows by the thousands usually every couple weeks). There are 27 pages full of pictorial evidence for viewing pleasure: http://www.losthorizons.com/tax/MoreVictories.htm
Have any of you out there ever seen this type of solid evidence of victories for the '861 argument', or just some supposed wins, some people going to prison, some fined, and people still unclear about exactly what to do? How about for 'nunc pro tunc' ? How about for.......
Here's another audio with just Sofia talking about Pete's work. The benefit is she puts it in simple terms and inspires to get Pete's book.
http://novamnetwork.com/podcasts/farias/premium/FariasShow-(21-04-2008)-lo.mp3 You may have to copy and paste this link into the address bar in full for it to work, all the way through the ......lo.mp3
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Location: Blue Springs, Missouri USA
Posted:
Fri Aug 15, 2008 7:17 am
I do not mean to derail this thread. And I certainly am not taking up for the other side (GOD Forbid!!) And what I have to say I believe is on topic and I hope you alll will agree.
Because with the victories that we have already had in the dastardly corrupt Federal court systems we should already be making huge strides in this movement and at this time we are at a virtual stand-still.
With the Tommy Cryer's & Joe Bannister's victories already in the books and case law being firmly establised in both cases I can't for the life of me understand why we have to continually jump through all of these convoluted hoops to get anywhere in this movement.
There should be a literal stampede of tax cases being thrown out of these kangaroo courts as a result of those victories. There should be people being released from prisons all over the country because of the case law established in those cases.
And I believe guys like Mr. Hendrickson and Ralph Winterrowd and even Ray here on our own Forum are truly in tune to what the mechanics of this system are all about. But even with the huge victories we've had it still seems like we are at a stand-still and even going backwards in many instances.
Why isn't our foundation being built upon? Why are those cases not setting precedents that other defendants can use to further their cause?
I hate to play the role of a "doubting Thomas" but something just doesn't seem right here to me at all.
And why did Sherry Peel Jackson's case go in the toilet when she had the same attorney that Tommy Cryer had? At face value it appears to me that all of the knowledge that Mr. Hendrickson and other great people in this movement have brought forth seems to be sort of useless in many ways. It seems as though we are taking 2 steps forward and 3 steps back in many of these cases. I just dont understand this aspect of it at all.
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CAkid Newbie
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Posts: 35
Posted:
Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:05 pm
JD-Spydo wrote:
With the Tommy Cryer's & Joe Bannister's victories already in the books and case law being firmly establised in both cases I can't for the life of me understand why we have to continually jump through all of these convoluted hoops to get anywhere in this movement.
There is no precedence set in a criminal case.
When OJ was found not guilty of committing murder, the laws prohibiting murder did not change.
When Michael Jackson was found not guilty of molesting kids, the child molestation laws did not change.
Five or six cases (out of thousands) in a 20 year period have managed to convince their juries that they were ignorant of the tax laws. These cases in now way changed the income tax laws.
The only tax cases that set precendent are going to be civil. Tax protester arguments have lost 100% of such cases for the past 45 years.
As for Pete Hendrickson, he lost his own case in court, and lost again on appeal. If Pete can't even win his own case, and his followers are having to repay their refunds plus huge fines and penalties, what makes you think he offers the silver bullet?
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Posted:
Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:57 pm
"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual."
-- Thomas Jefferson
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Posted:
Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:48 am
Thanks for your post CAkid so I can know where some people are at in what they perceive is going on. I'll address your post a bit further down in this post.
JD, have you ever noticed how, like with Ray for example, the 'courts/judge' that deal with Ray would prefer that no information get out to the public about what Ray is doing? If it does, then they launch a smear campaign on him to call him names like kook and wacko...., to hope he'll shrivel up? Have you ever heard of a court case occurring only to hear about a judge walking out of the room in effect to prevent certain rulings or the trial from going on the record? I'm sure you have seen how the un-'justice' department try's to keep anything that relates to real freedom from getting in the newspapers, records, on the MSMedia radio? I'm sure you get my point that it is almost like the sense I get from reading Ray's posts, that believing the MSMedia, sometimes even the alternative media, is still in the mind-control-zone, and each and every being must step out of the 'matrix' for themselves. It's kinda like how I find myself telling many people about all the subjects, like we chat about on this forum, but they never really get it or believe it until they make the choice in their own soul to go, sit down at a computer (or something of the like) in their own time of their own accord, and look into the stuff for themselves. It's kinda like I imagine wearing a t-shirt with 2 questions on it before anyone can talk to me: Can you handle the truth? and Are you hungry for it? It's like there's a whole other world out there.
Re: the cliche of the 'Silver bullet' I hear/read about a lot, I like the saying that is something like, ' There is no silver bullet, only many silver bb's'.
"Why did Sherry Peel Jackson's case go in the toilet"
It's very clear why Ed and Elaine, Snipes, Sherry's cases all are in the toilet when people read CtC that lays out the statues, etc. that show that if someone makes an allegation that you got income (worked in a federal position, or got $ from a federal entity, read book for exacts), then if you do not rebut that with a sworn affidavit, something like a 1040 tax form, then you will go to prison or get fined for not paying for that federal privilege. They cannot just make up an amount of $ out of thin air for you to pay for taxes ... Well they pretty much can, but it's up to the being to rebut it as being false, or in some way acknowledge it as standing, either by avoiding to pay, or staying silent..... but it is your word is what it comes down to; you are the final authority (now) on how much income you truly have received.
Today, it appears Pete updated the # of $ received by readers back from the IRS or States by an increase of about 49,000 dollars. It is now at 3,200,577.29$ most likely with some more checks that have been scanned telling the story of the people on his currently 27 pages of victories. How's that for silence; you won't hear that on the MSMedia. I'm trying to share the news of a foundation that's been built and is growing; it is nearly so, but isn't quite served to people on a silver platter, so it takes a bit of effort to read the book or really comprehend what he's saying in the interviews with Sofia.
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CAkid, you wrote, "As for Pete Hendrickson, he lost his own case in court, and lost again on appeal."
This is exactly why the IRS is still in business, because it is doing such a job of convincing the majority of people that what is working, isn't.
It may appear Pete lost his case, however from what he is saying, and I comprehend, this is not accurate. They ordered him to change his testimony, or what he declared on his 1040 (or a similar document). !!!! Did you get that? That is like you going into court for a traffic ticket when your innocent, and the judge ordering you to say you're guilty. It's a bogus order. They can't lawfully force you to change your declaration, however in the IRS's hopes you get the sense of intimidation so as you end up falsely declaring, well... that's the mind control so many people fall for. I suggest you check out the recent audio interviews and articles and documents related to Pete and his site about this to confirm.
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Posted:
Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:24 am
I had forgotten about the fact that they had "Ordered" Pete to change his testimony! Thanks for reminding me about that aa.
How corrupt can a judge be............and you know he knows better. Of course it is in the IRS Manual that they give these judges $25,000. bounty called merit raises. That judge just wanted the message to get back to the IRS that he was on their side. They would drop him like hot potato if he did not bring in guilty verdicts now wouldn't they.
Hope they are paying the federal income tax on all of their bounty or merit raises they collect on!
Sorry but the show The Rule of Law with Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens for August 7th, is still not posted. I think that both of you will enjoy listening to that particular show when it is archived! I want to relisten to it again.
CAkid Newbie
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Posted:
Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:42 am
Quote:
"Why did Sherry Peel Jackson's case go in the toilet"
Sherry Jackson lost her criminal case because her ex-business partner took the stand and called Sherry a liar and a cheat. She said that Sherry had stolen funds from their company. The jury believed the witness, along with several others who claimed that Sherry hadn't done or said the things that she testified to on the stand.
100% of the tax protester victories in criminal court were because the jury felt the defendant was sincere in his or her beliefs and therefore had no criminal intent. 100% of the defendants in these victories still had to pay the underlying taxes plus interest plus penalties plus legal defense fees. 0% of these case were won as a result of arguing tax laws.
MaidMarion Member
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Posted:
Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:55 pm
People lie under oath. The public has been brainwashed into thinking that they all have to pay the federal income tax. Government employees do but the rest of us have to make our own decision as to what is meant by income etc. There were a number of government employees on the jury. Juries are terribly misinformed about most laws, as are a lot of lawyers and judges. It has become so complicated. There was no income tax prior to the 16 amendment, passed in 1913. That amendment did not change any tax code.
People lie under oath just as they come here to this form with their lies and disinformation.
At the risk of being called a bully......... I feel that two former IRS Agents know a hell of a lot more that anyone posting here does about the federal income tax code.
Since Ed and Elaine both said show me the law that states that I have to pay a federal income tax and I will cut a check for you immediately. The government and/or the IRS did not answer that question. They even put up a $1,000,000. piece of property that they were willing to give to anyone who could show the law that says that the average American is responsible for the Federal Income Tax.
So just because they have the guns..................and they are using might makes right does not mean that the law is on their side. It is also a FACT that millions of Americans are not filing any income tax returns. The number continues to grow every year. That is the American people's way of dealing with a tyrannical government. Most do not have the courage to take on the government like Ed, Elaine, their four supporters, Schiff, and Sherry Peel Jackson have done.
The shame is ours that we have not rebelled in the millions over this issue. That is how they can continue to go after individual people who have the courage to speak out and pick them off. But the tide is turning and the people do not believe their government any more. That is why congress has a 9% approval rating.
It is a protection racket .............just like the ones the Mafia run. The system has been corrupted in favor of the international banksters and that includes the courts.
Since the foreclosures, the devaluation of the dollar, the lies about going to war in Iraq, the numerous questions unanswered about 911, the American people have awakened a great deal. They realize that these depressions are manipulated by the globalists and they are once again bleeding us dry.
It is the truly ill-informed, or those as dumb as posts who can not see they are being played. One can only feel sorry for them. They have no objectivity whatsoever and are totally brainwashed. Sadly enough they will be the ones that will be thrown under the bus first.
There are plenty of innocent people in prison. In the land of the free and home of the brave we have the largest per capita number of people in prison. That should tell you something about how free you really are. There is no justice in the court rooms of America.............they are all corporate courts and stacked against the people! Was the fact that Sherry Peel Jackson a woman of African American decent, have anything to do with the verdict that the jury came up with within 30 minutes? The so called friends and business associates had not had anything to do with Sherry for approximately 10 years.
Here is what Joe Banister had to say about Sherry Peel Jackson's guilty verdict.
Title: FORMER IRS AGENT NEEDS YOUR HELP (Sherry Jackson)
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FORMER IRS AGENT NEEDS YOUR HELP
Dear Friends:
Some of you may have heard by now the outcome of the IRS case against Sherry Jackson (more information at http://www.triallogs.blogspot.com/ & http://www.truthattack.org ). Please read this entire email because there is something you can do to help her.
An Atlanta jury convicted her of 4 misdemeanor counts of willful failure to file Form 1040. I have known Sherry since she first wrote to me in October, 2000. We have spent hours upon hours together and spoken about our inner-most beliefs. As I am sure many others are aware who know Sherry Jackson, there is NO doubt that her beliefs about her lack of a Form 1040 filing requirement are sincerely held. She is as sincere a person as I have ever encountered and she and her family have sacrificed themselves greatly to expose IRS wrongdoing.
With misdemeanor charges such as the ones Sherry was facing, the key aspect turns on the belief of the defendant. The jury was instructed that if Sherry BELIEVED that she was not required to file a tax return, then she had committed no crime and must be acquitted. How can a person one who truly holds a sincere belief (as acknowledged by everyone who knows her personally) be judged not to hold a sincere belief by a jury? How can it be that juries determined that friends and colleagues of Sherry’s like FedEx Pilot Vernie Kuglin, Attorney Tom Cryer and myself held sincere beliefs but Sherry’s jury did not?
We don’t have much information at this point but can only speculate that the sincerity of Sherry’s beliefs was either not able to be adequately communicated due to the limitations of a federal court arena (admissibility of evidence, Q&A testimonial format) or the jury just wasn’t going to accept that Sherry’s beliefs were sincere because of other pre-conceived notions or biases. Attempts are being made to gather this information from any of the jurors who are willing to speak about their decision. Stay tuned.
Below is an email from Sherry Jackson requesting your help. Please read it carefully and write a letter if you can. Be extremely polite and professional in you letter. If you are concerned that your name will end up on a government list, consider writing the letter and signing it with your first name and the initial of your last name and perhaps the state you are from (e.g., Sherry P. from Georgia). You can mail your letter to me at 1805 N. Carson Street, Suite C, Carson City, Nevada 89701 and I will forward it on to the court WITHOUT your mailing envelope.
Sherry and her family need your prayers as well. God will provide what no material thing can provide. Prayer is key.
Also, please keep in mind that win or lose, the costs of fighting these legal battles are huge. Whether Sherry won her court battle or lost it, she has had to expend enormous amounts of uncompensated time preparing for and participating in her court battle and she has had to pay significant legal fees as well. She needs our help. Financial contributions can be made payable to Sherry Peel Jackson or her husband Colin Jackson and mailed to 1560 Fieldgreen Overlook, Suite A, Stone Mountain, Georgia 30088.
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Sherry Jackson wrote:
> Hi. As you may have heard by now, I was found guilty in 30 minutes at
> my trial, for willful failure to file. If you care please:
>
> Pray for mercy for me.
> Write a letter to the judge in the manner of the attachment. Start
> passing out Freedom To Fascism DVD’s like crazy!!!
>
> Sentencing may be January but the letters need to go out within the
> next week, per someone that works in the courts. Thanks for anything
> you can do. SPJ
>
>
> "Cowardice asks the question: is it safe? Expediency asks the
> question: is it political? Vanity asks the question: is it popular?
> But conscience asks the question: is it right? And there comes a
> time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor
> political, nor popular - but one must take it simply because it is
> right." Martin Luther King, Jr.
>
> "I had reasoned this out in my mind, there was one of two things I
> had a right to, liberty or death; if I could not have one, I would
> have the other." Harriet Tubman
>
> http://sherry.quest4u.cc
>
CAkid Newbie
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Posted:
Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:11 pm
MaidMarion wrote:
Since Ed and Elaine both said show me the law that states that I have to pay a federal income tax and I will cut a check for you immediately. The government and/or the IRS did not answer that question.
Ed is a liar. He didn't have a checking account to write such a check, and he certainly didn't have the money on hand to pay the $3,000,000 in back taxes and penalties. It was typical Ed Brown bullpuckey.
Ed didn't like to pay property taxes either. And Elaine hadn't paid her state business taxes for several years, even though that tax isn't tied in any way to the federal income tax calculations.
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They even put up a $1,000,000. piece of property that they were willing to give to anyone who could show the law that says that the average American is responsible for the Federal Income Tax.
An empty promise, of course. Ed had already forfeited the dental practice building as part of the crimimal trial. Furthermore, when several people tried to show Ed the law, he (and his online minions) censored those attempts.
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Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:31 pm
You are the misinformed or liar CAkid. That property was already up and offered well before the trial. That Building was not Ed's to forefit, it was Elaine Browns property.
Elaine did have a checking account and it was the bank that reported her for purchasing money orders to pay mortgages etc.......... Also Ed and Elaine dealt in cash and when they were arrested there was gold and $100,000. worth of cash in their home.
You are way out of line coming here and calling Ed or Elaine Brown liars. Just because you are ill informed or too cowardly to speak truth to power all of your sniveling name calling and smear tactics does not make you right.
Here is a perfect example of a jury that informed themselves of what these criminal bastards you are trying to protect were up to. The judge almost had a fit when they did not allow him to dictate the "law" to them and wanted to see it for themselves. When it was not produced Whitey Harrell was found innocent. He too was asking the same questions that Ed and Elaine Brown were asking. He was lucky to have had Marcy Brooks on his jury.
Ed, Elaine, and Sherry Peel Jackson had dumbed down juries, sort of like you, who were cowardly and brainwashed to the max.
Are you enjoying how your money has been devalued by 41% since this NWO administration came into power CAkid? Are you enjoying seeing how the stock market has been conducting insider trading for months now and being propped up by fake FRN...............hell they are not even dollars any more they are notes. Do you know the difference?
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MARCY BROOKS, a resident of Indianapolis, Indiana, found herself at the center of a news storm when, in May of 2000, she was chosen to serve on a jury that declared defendant Whitey Harrell not guilty of failing to pay income taxes. She convinced the jury that the defendant was innocent since he claimed there was no law requiring him to do so and the prosecution gave no evidence proving his guilt. During the trial, the jurors repeatedly asked the court to provide them with a copy of the law that requires citizens of Illinois or any other state to pay income taxes. The judge said the law would be produced in due course but finally backed off saying the jury had all it was going to get. Marcy concluded that Whitey Harrell was a law-abiding citizen and that the IRS and the court were the ones violating the law. Some of the jurors were inclined not to rock the boat and wanted to go along with the government to avoid controversy, but Marcy spoke on behalf of truth and justice even in the face of popular opinion and government intimidation. She convinced the jury to stand on principle, and the rest is history. Her story provides a powerful example of what just one person can do in the face of seemingly overwhelming odds. For a newspaper account of the case, go to: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3932bf7e3f53.htm. Marcy can be reached at: marcybrooks52@hotmail.com.
MaidMarion Member
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Posted:
Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:39 pm
Also you can read about Robert Lawrence winning his case with prejudice at the link below:
DOJ Dismisses Felony Tax Prosecution
-- With Prejudice -- After PRA Defense Raised
Evidence OMB Complicit In Income Tax Fraud
DOJ & IRS Petitioned To Explain
On May 12, 2006 in Peoria, Illinois, the attorney for the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) begged the court to dismiss all charges against IRS victim Robert Lawrence in federal District Court.
CAkid Newbie
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Posted:
Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:53 pm
MaidMarion wrote:
You are the misinformed or liar CAkid. That property was already up and offered well before the trial. That Building was not Ed's to forefit, it was Elaine Browns property.
The property was not offered until after the trial, Maureen. Check the archives of the blog for the timing. During the trial, Ed offered only a check from a non-existent checking account. The jury voted on the forfeiture on January 18, 2007 and Ed made his worthless offer on February 20, 2007.
Property records clearly show that the office real estate was both Elaine's and Ed's, and was held in a worthless pure trust with one of the Elaine's employee as trustee.
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Elaine did have a checking account and it was the bank that reported her for purchasing money orders to pay mortgages etc..........
Wrong again, Maureen. No bank was involved in the structuring charges because Ed and Elaine didn't keep a checking account. They were reported by the Post Office for getting more than 120 postal money orders which they used to pay off their mortgage.
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Also Ed and Elaine dealt in cash and when they were arrested there was gold and $100,000. worth of cash in their home.
That is true. That is far less than the $3,000,000 in combined taxes they owed to the IRS and the State of New Hamphire.
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You are way out of line coming here and calling Ed or Elaine Brown liars. Just because you are ill informed or too cowardly to speak truth to power all of your sniveling name calling and smear tactics does not make you right.
Unlike you, I've taken the time to learn the details of the Brown case. I've read every article, listened daily to Ed's radio show, and read the various blog and MySpace entry.
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Here is a perfect example of a jury that informed themselves of what these criminal bastards you are trying to protect were up to. The judge almost had a fit when they did not allow him to dictate the "law" to them and wanted to see it for themselves. When it was not produced Whitey Harrell was found innocent. He too was asking the same questions that Ed and Elaine Brown were asking. He was lucky to have had Marcy Brooks on his jury.
Whitey Harrell has a new criminal tax trial scheduled this fall, but I don't suspect you know that. You don't seem really keen on getting to know the whole story when it comes to these cases.
CAkid Newbie
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Posts: 35
Posted:
Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:55 pm
MaidMarion wrote:
Also you can read about Robert Lawrence winning his case with prejudice at the link below:
DOJ Dismisses Felony Tax Prosecution
-- With Prejudice -- After PRA Defense Raised
Evidence OMB Complicit In Income Tax Fraud
DOJ & IRS Petitioned To Explain
On May 12, 2006 in Peoria, Illinois, the attorney for the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) begged the court to dismiss all charges against IRS victim Robert Lawrence in federal District Court.
Unlike you, I've read the actual court documents. The IRS made a whopping math error when the calculated the amount of tax due for the purposes of the indictment. Rather than lose face over this error in front of the jury, the prosecutors dropped the case.
aa Member
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Sat Aug 16, 2008 3:45 pm
MaidMarion wrote:
"Since you and only you CAkid know what the law is ..................would you be kind enough to post it here now?"
aa writes: Thank you for posting the law. Now go read Pete's book to find out what income is; and what other words are used in the Code that have very specific definitions unlike the common everyday use, such as employee, employer, States, United States, trade, business, includes, including, person,....
... so you can find out if the law applies to you.
CAkid Newbie
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Sat Aug 16, 2008 4:50 pm
I've read the book already. I've also read the court filings and results for the people who tried to use Pete's theory. The losses are staggering, including thousands and thousands of dollars of tax court and frivolous filing penalties. I find it telling that Pete doesn't reduce his "victory" number when those same people have to pay their refunds back, plus interest.
aa Member
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Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:30 pm
Skimming doesn't count. I know it was a mind twister at first for me to read, with a dictionary by my side at nearly all times, even though it is a short book, Pete, I have found uses words exactly. There may be inaccuracies in your post to say the least. I was testing to see if I could contribute, and it appears it would be difficult or impossible.
I find it interesting that you point out, if ever it was true, an action that if done by the IRS would be bizarre and beyond common sense that may stimulate possibly the most mind-controlled of folks to raise their eyebrows:
The IRS refunding money, and then asking for it back. (Pause)
To all readers, I'm imagining what it comes down to, is the individual being of their own inner drive, taking the path to look into topics themselves vs. relying on the word of another.
Gosh, it almost sounds like I work for Mr. Hendrickson
Munchiewizard of this site said something in an old post that sparked me to go and buy the book even though I had known about it, and was curious for some time before.
MaidMarion Member
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Sun Aug 17, 2008 1:26 am
You will note that CAkid also refers to Cracking the Code as "Pete's Theory."
I distinctly remember him correcting Sofia Smallstorm when she had that wonderful interview with him and she referred in a similar way to the contents of the book...........that it was not his plan but was Congress' plan. After listening to his detailed explanation with Sofia I understood how deeply Pete had researched this book.
This is not a game we are playing here. The trillions of dollars our government gets from the federal income tax, Aaron Russo noted that it almost equaled the defense budget at that time.
Do you think that these criminals would be able to just pull off preemptive wars as they have done ever since WW II if they did not have the Federal Reserve printing phony money and collecting the illegal income taxes. We have to cut off the funding NOW!
According to the constitution only the congress can declare war, except when there has been a direct attack on the nation by another nation. 911 was not a direct attack by another nation it was a terrorist attack. I for one have many questions just who those terrorists really were.
We do have the means to reign in our government. I just have grave doubts that the people will become proactive in political affairs and demand a constitutional republic.
BECAUSE OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN IRAQ WE ARE NOW THE WAR CRIMINALS.
Amazing how everything Ron Paul discussed during the primaries and continues to discuss, has come true.
Why can't people see the insanity of these neocons and their willingness to use nuclear weapons?
I just hope and pray that the young people who were so enthused with Ron Paul and what he was trying to do are not discouraged and continue with the Freedom movement.
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aa Member
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Sun Aug 17, 2008 2:27 am
MM wrote, "BECAUSE OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN IRAQ WE ARE NOW THE WAR CRIMINALS."
I like to practice dividing the Bush administration from the people of this country. In other words, just because the Bush admin. may have organized mercenaries to start a diversion in Georgia, doesn't mean the public supports the admin.'s crimes against humanity. Let the people of the world know that I am separate from what actions the 'president' of the U.S. takes. How about instead of what you wrote MM, something like, 'Because of what the Bush Administration has done in Iraq, they are now war criminals'.
In other words, if Bush and co. declares to drop a nuke on Iran, then Iran knows exactly who to come after: Bush and company .... not the people of the uSA. That right there would stop the NWOrder dead in it's tracks See why I value how powerful language is? It is the key to collapsing mind control.
Yes though, learning the truth about the income tax is a very, very, very powerful way to boycott. Especially since it offers a doorway out of the mental matrix many people find themselves (almost) trapped in, which was Congresses plan.
MaidMarion Member
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Sun Aug 17, 2008 3:05 am
You may be right but I do not feel that way. I too am very careful about the wording and that is why I wrote what I did.
We the American people have the ability to stop what this administration is doing in our name. If a few million of us had marched on Washington demanding impeachment and demanding an end to the war in Iraq we would have seen an end to it. We did not do that, and for that we are responsible.
Had several million marched to Pelosi's office and demanded she put impeachment on the table, Bush and his cronies would have been fighting impeachment instead of encouraging Georgia to pulled their little attack on So. Osettia. That action brings us once again into face to face confrontation with Russia and exposing the whole planet to nuclear war. With nuclear weapons an option this is very serious indeed.
Responsibility is for behavior we have committed and also for behavior that we should have taken and did not. Just like in Nazi Germany when people turned away when they came for the Jews because they were not Jewish, or Catholic, or whatever they were picking up and taking to the camps that day........they were still held responsible in the court of public opinion.
We too are being judged that way now in the world court of public opinion.
People all over the world can not understand why we are not out in the streets day and night protesting. Where are our so called freedoms. Daily we are becoming more and more of a police state. There are servailace cameras everywhere now. We have allowed ourselves to get permits ("permission") for everything from marriage to hunting and fishing in our own lakes, streams and oceans. Now we are looking at the prospect of having Chips implanted, like they have done with animals, to track us for goodness sake.
And guess what it was Russian ships that were in our ports when the revolution started in America, they were not the enemy, the British were. It was Russia that was our ally during WW II not these fascist that are now ensconced in government.
If several million of us turned off the televisions and did not support the mainstream media............if we continued to call them out as propagandists not in small little groups but in large numbers and refused to buy their newspapers, they would back down. As Ray says boycott, boycott, boycott..............and the truth is we can not even get people to do that!
The plan to reign the people in was in the books for a long long time. That is why the patriots act was on the shelves ready and waiting within a couple of month of the 911 attack.
There are many things we could have done that we did not do and for that we the people are responsible. We could have marched in the millions prior to the invasion of Iraq and demanded that congress be the only one who has the responsibility to declare war.
911 was a terrorist attack not an attack by another nation. It was a crime and should have been treated as such.
This administration along with the globalists would not be able to do these things if we acted like sovereigns. This administration could not do what they are doing not only to us their own people but all over the world ...........we have allowed it to happen. We have to stop playing the victim role. What are we getting out of playing the victims as a nation? It is sickening!
We will continue to get the governments we deserve. They are only a reflection of the population as a whole. As far as I can see it will only get worse in the near future and that might shake people up from their complacency, but will it be in time?
We are a joke now all around the world and one of the jokes is "better be careful America might come here bringing their democracy."
What a sad state of affairs.
No, aa, I meant exactly what I said and exactly the words I said it with. It is my truth. I take full responsibility for not having done much more a long time ago.
Not taking responsibility is nothing more than a cop-out.
aa Member
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Sun Aug 17, 2008 12:29 pm
In that case, the way you're looking at it, the whole world is responsible. Any of a multitude of countries could either by some media outlet or a youtube, etc. video could announce to the people in this country something like:
'It is clear that George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Nancy Pelosi, Carl Rove, Henry Kissinger, Colin Powell, Paul Wolfowitz, Condie Rice, .... have taken actions against your Constitution. Would you like help to arrest these people? Call 1-800-766-..... and if over 5 million of you call, we will begin some dialogue for a few weeks before we take action with your help'.
That right there, an announcement by another country(ies) leaders, may shock the majority of numbed 'Americans' to either do something themselves to save face, or ask for help. Fair enough, I agree either way.
Thanks for sharing that tid bit on the Russians in the ports during the Revolution. I'll keep my eye out for more of that.
I just keep plugging away sharing awareness and fun, easy strategies that people may like to take willingly to empower themselves by boycotting.
I have turned Obama supporters to being giddy Ron Paul supporters; almost daily I contribute to others learning more about this whole mess so they say 'holy shit', eyes wide open and begin on the viral path of sharing the info./dvd's with others without being told to. I admit I imagine I'd be happier if the word and waking up was spreading faster for efficiency. In the last couple weeks I've actually had 2 people that I originally shared info. with, offer me burnt copies of David Icke's 'Big Brother, The Big Picture'. Now that's called blowback
Learning the truth about about the income tax has freed me up a lot.
MaidMarion Member
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Sun Aug 17, 2008 2:26 pm
Again I see it differently. I believe in the sovereignty of people and nations. So coming from that premise each nation is responsible for it overt and covert criminal war crimes against humanity. Therefore I do not hold with the premise that the 'WHOLE WORLD' is responsible for America's war crimes. Interestingly enough I am right now listening to an interview with Michel Chossudovsky and Greg Ellich who is an Expert and Analyst of North Korea.
It has now been over 50 years since the Korean war. The war crimes and atrocities are now just coming out. The continued control and the blocking of reunification of North and South Korea on the part of the US is now well documented. We were not made aware of the destruction that we did in Korea and/or the war crimes that were done there until now. Ellich traveled to N. Korea on many occasions to document his reports. Every city in the north was bombed into rubble and millions of Koreans were killed. The destruction was wholesale in the south also.
I would think that all of the signing nations to the Geneva accords, which includes the United States, would join forces and hold America accountable.
Here is one instance where Germany has taken action against an individual in the administration, Rumsfeld. It is reported that Rumsfeld will not travel to Germany for fear of being arrested and detined.
Frankly I feel that there should be more. And maybe there is, we just have not heard much about it on our news and to be truthful I have not had the time to research it as thoroughly as this whole subject deserves.
Why bother with the charade of International Law if we are not going to use the court effectively?
I still marvel at the seemingly ineffectiveness of the permanent court of Arbitration at the Hague when it comes up against a supposed world power with the might of the United States. But as I said I really need to look into this issue a great deal more.
With that in mind here is where I have started in case anyone else is interested in learning more also: