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MakeTheStand.com :: View topic - What should we do when the time comes?
I am starting this topic because I would like to get some discussion about what to do when sh*t starts to hit the fan. Hopefully some mental preparation would be helpful later. I do not profess to be any kind of expert on this but will write what I think will be important when the time comes.
My thoughts (please let me know if I am wrong and/or add to what I've written):
First, I think that it would be to our advantage to begin this thing. The factor that seems to be key in this is if action is taken before enough of the general populace understands why this must be done. Without enough grass roots support (especially community leaders) it will be very difficult to make it work. So the info war has been and is essential. I am concerned about the possible disadvantages of waiting. Here are a couple of the advantages of making the first move. First, it is easier to keep control of something than to take it away from someone else. The something that I am referring to is key facilities, equipment and supplies. For example it would be easier to take control of a gun shop from the normal staff working there than to take it from the military. Second, simply the element of surprise, which would mean that the military has not already arrived in the city or county wherever you are. There is a better chance to inform the public of what is happening and to prepare to block the feds from coming in. I will go into more detail about some of the points mentioned above:
What will it look like if they start it? I assume that they will start it in one of the following ways. 1. Terrorist attacks, which could take the form of multiple explosive attacks throughout the country, one or two big blasts somewhere, a chemical or bio attack (the attacks will be done by the gov or by real terrorists who work for the gov or they may just be pictures and false stories put out by the mainstream media). 2. A supposed pendemic. 3. ??????
When it starts I assume that the internet, telephones and other means of communication will suddenly fail. Maybe mainstream media will still be operable. About the same time or just after I expect that State governments will suddenly be taken control of (if the state gov is not already on their side). Radio stations and television stations will be seized (if they can't stop them another way). Key supplies will be seized, I think that this would entail all military assets, gun shops and food supplies.
I suppose the next step will be the actual control coming. Blocking roads, sectoring off areas, gun sweeps and neutralizing resistence (that means shooting you if you don't act like a lamb).
Looking back at what I have just written brings me to a few questions:
1. Do they have enough people to do this nationwide?
2. Will they use local law enforcement to do part of this and if so how do they know that they will comply?
3. Do they have any cards up their sleeves such as non-lethal weapons that would make us incapable of resisting?
I mentioned key facilities and assets and would like some input in this area. I think what they don't control we get to use and vice versa, so it seems that moving on this stuff quickly is important. So it would be good to identify what and where prior to action. What?: Food, weapons, explosives, communication equipment, key infrastructure, heavy equipment (I suppose it will come in handy for blocking roads or removing bridges and neutralizing smaller threats). Let me know what I haven't thought of?
If they move first I assume that they will have a wonderful story put out to the public that would be designed to create confusion. They will also be sure to cut off our ability to communicate so we don't know what is happening somewhere else. We will probably feel isolated and unsure if anyone else is experiencing the same thing and whether or not we are the only ones making a stand. A simultaneous movement on our part would be more than they can handle (at least I hope so). I don't think they have enough willing personnel to pull it off if we act in unison. What do you think?
If we move first or if we come into the situation of having the ability to communicate to the general public what will we say?
If it gets nasty we can expect air attacks pinpointing pockets of resistence. I suppose it might be better to relocate often.
I suppose that their will be people in the communities that will be on the wrong side. I haven't thought much about this but am concerned that they could still communicate the locations of patriots to the bad guys. How will we know who the good guys are and what will we do when we identify a rotten apple.
What about crime in general. I assume that in the cities looting and some other crimes could suddenly become a problem. What can we do about this? Neighborhood watches? ????
Should we quickly establish temporary local governments? At what level, state, county?
SHOULD WE DECLARE OUR INDEPENDENCE FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT?
What would happen if the individual states pull out of the union? Can we get the state guards and militias to hold down the fort.
Do we need to worry about new dictators rising in the time of turmoil? Do we need to worry about a full on attack by another country during this time?
I wish there was a peaceful way to straighten things out but I don't think there is.
These are my thoughts on this. It would be nice to hear yours.
ugly303 Newbie
Joined: Jun 18, 2007
Posts: 91
Posted:
Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:51 pm
Its already begun..
Stock pile supplys. If NH is the battle ground, then we rush in ,when it becomes crunchtime !!!! You already know the deal.
IF the fed keep there cool, Spread the word, awaking the masses. Get everybody involed, tell them whats going on. Stop paying fed tax/ We need the average amercian on our sides. We need to enlighting everybody about whats really going on with the federal reserve,real id, etc,etc. . If america wakes up, we wont need to fight. All we can do for now is spread the word............
If we come out shooting now, the feds will turn america agaist us,
SO,,, spread the word , get the goverment scared of us. Tell the truth.
DadaOrwell Newbie
Joined: Jun 13, 2007
Posts: 8
Posted:
Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:25 pm
How can you who claim to be favoring gun rights advocate forceably seizing a private gun store?
Nathan you sound like a Fed.
BTW, if you're not, have you even *tried* civil disobedience yet? Doesn't that need to run its course and fail before warfare becomes justified?
hardly anyone is even doing CD, but when it is done with even the slightest skill it has awesome results.
Keyword search russell kanning new hampshire or
mike fisher new hampshire if you don't believe me.
DadaOrwell Newbie
Joined: Jun 13, 2007
Posts: 8
Posted:
Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:31 pm
From a list of action items I put up in april on nhfree.com
I have already done most of the things on the list, so can you.
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What will you do if they come for Ed Brown?
Here is a list of potential action items which would be appropriate and practical to carry out during the first 48 hours after an attack. Some of them you can carry out now.
1) Go to calendar.nhfree.com and see what types of flash events have been scheduled to occur in response to the raid. Attend them or promote them if you can.
2) Head to your nearest Federal facility with a sign of some type. Plan on being alone at first. Staples has good sign making material...big posterboards are best with lettering at least six inches tall, otherwise car traffic will not be able to read your sign. Better to have this material on hand now, so you are not scrambling to acquire it after the spit hits the fan. You will be three times as effective and visible if you also have a rattlesnake flag and pole. I'm posting below some ideas for signs.
3) Write a letter to the editor of a nearby paper expressing your concern. In New Hampshire The Concord Monitor, Keene Free Press and the Union Leader seem to print most of the pro liberty letters they receive, and you can be from anywhere in the state. The Keene Sentinel seems to be pretty good about printing our letters if written from the Keene area. Keep them under 200 words in all cases if possible, especially with the Union Leader.
4) Join some political web forums and voice there your support for Ed and Elaine. I've included a list of good forums below. Better to join now and be ready than to join after the event.
5) Call relevant officials to express your concern. I've included a list below.
6) Maybe go to Ed Brown's house? Haven't really given this much thought. Certainly I hope more folks will go there beforehand as a deterrent. His address: 401 Center of Town Road Plainfield, New Hampshire 03781
But again...the important thing is to be ready, and do *something* constructive in response to any raid or seizure of our flinty acquaintence.
Ideas for post-raid signs:
Free
Elaine
Brown
NHfree.com
Are Feds
Torturing
Elaine Brown?
NHfree.com
Or if things go really badly
Feds
Murdered
Ed Brown
I hope I don't have to carry that one.
List of active web forums where you can voice your support for Ed and Elaine:
List of public officials in New Hampshire who "serve" Ed and Elaine:
Sullivan County Sheriff Michael L. Prozzo Jr.
14 Main St.
P.O. Box 27
Newport, NH. 03773
PH 603.863.4200
FAX 603.863.0012
or E-mail sheriff@nhvt.net
You can ask him not to cooperate with the Feds in arresting or killing Ed and his friends. One approach is to keep the message under 12 words and ask his secretary to write it down word for word.
NH Sen. John Sununu
603-647-7500
You can ask him what he's doing to keep the other feds from arresting or killing Ed and his friends. One approach is to keep the message under 12 words and ask his secretary to write it down word for word.
U.S. Marshalls, New Hampshire
Stephen Monier, Gary DiMartino
603 225 1632
You can thank them for their restraint thus far and urge them to continue it....or if they do something evil then you can just yell at them!
Colonel Frederick Booth
Director, NH State Police: (603) 271-2450
33 Hazen Drive | Concord, NH 03305
They were involved in arresting Ed last year, you can ask them not to do that again.
U.S. Rep Paul Hodes
Washington, DC Web Address:
http://hodes.house.gov/
Washington, DC Web Mail Address:
http://www.house.gov/htbin/wre ...
Washington, DC Address
506 Cannon House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
Phone: 202-225-5206
Distric Address - Concord
114 North Main Street
Second Floor
Concord, NH 03301
Phone: 603-223-9814
State Representative Matthew Houde (D)
Current District: Sullivan 01
First Elected: 11/07/2006
Birth date: 03/27/1969
28 Bean Road, Apt C
Plainfield NH 03781-5479
603 469 3149
matthewhoude-at-yahoo.com
Ed's other State Representative Carla Skinder (D,R - you can be both at same time in NH)
Current District: Sullivan 01
First Elected: 11/07/2006
465 East Road
Cornish NH 03745-4433
603 542 6065
603 543 6895
603 863 8383
e-mail: cskinder-at-vrh.org carla.skinder-at-leg.state.nh.us
Attorney General Kelly Ayotte
http://doj.nh.gov/
33 Capitol Street
Concord, NH 03301
Phone: 603-271-3658
TTYD Number: 800-735-2964
Fax: 603-271-2110
William M. Gardner (NH)
Current Office: Secretary of State
First Elected: 1976
Party: Democrat
elections@sos.state.nh.us http://www.sos.nh.gov/
Department Address
State Capitol, Room 204
Concord, NH 03301
Phone: 603-271-3242
Fax: 603-271-6316
US Representative Carol Shea-Porter (D) , NH
The other NH rep. technically she is not ed's rep.
Current District: 1
First Elected: 11/07/2006
Washington, DC Web Address:
http://shea-porter.house.gov/
Washington, DC Address
1508 Longworth HOB
Washington, DC 20515
Phone: 202-225-5456
District Address - Dover
104 Washington Street
Dover, NH 03820
Phone: 603-743-4813
Fax: 603-743-5956
District Address - Manchester
33 Lowell Street
Manchester, NH 03101
Phone: 603-641-9536
Fax: 603-641-9561
Votesmart can also lead you to lists of your own officials if you're outside NH
For those who are wondering what my plans are for the first 48 hours after a raid...my default plan is to go straight to calendar.nhfree.com and set up a couple of minidemonstrations to ocurr within that time frame. These will likely be protests in front of Federal facilities in Manchester, Nashua or Keene. Then I'll probably start working on new signs that match the new situation, and endeavor to attend the demonstrations. It's nothing riviting and is sure to change, but it is my default plan. What's yours?
TylerM Newbie
Joined: Jun 16, 2007
Posts: 8
Posted:
Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:42 pm
If things get bad (shooting bad, they shooting at us), look up essays on "leaderless resistance" for your answer.
We also need to employ radio communications (even if you don't have a FCC license. I mean, does it matter?) be prepared for high powered radio communication. Networks of people in local areas are important as well as supplies for areas. It may be necessary to work underground for a while, but not too long. During an initial lock down of the US by the State, they are in as much chaos as we would be, if not more. This is the Federal Government we are dealing with. Assuming the chaos causes the collapse of the economy and thus the collapse
Also, there's going to be a period of "do-as-you-please", an age of ordnling in which the enemy of our enemy (the Feds) would be crime gangs, mob families, anarchist groups (all flavors) and even Muslim extremist perhaps, fighting against Federal Forces. This idea of mass revolt and chaos brought on by the an attempt to seize the country under military control will result in an era of mad cycle of verwirrling that will have to run its course.
And it won't be pretty, which is why I don't suggest it as a choice, but what maybe a sad reality. Revolutions are never glorious affairs, and we shouldn't romanticize it too much. What I'm saying here is a grim possibility, as I sad before, not a preferred choice.
NathanHalesrelative Newbie
Joined: Jun 14, 2007
Posts: 73
Posted:
Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:27 am
As I wrote in my original post, I wish there was a peaceful way to straighten this out but I don't think there is. I started this topic only for the purpose of putting ideas together for what to do in the case of push coming to shove.
To dadaorwell: Thank you for your suggestions about what to do after the Brown's have been attacked. A bit off the original topic but good information. I suppose that your suggested actions would make some significant change in this case although I don't think that these actions are so different to what happened after Ruby Ridge and Waco. Civil disobedience is a great thing and I suggest it to people regularly. I think that it would work if we got enough people to participate soon enough, unfortunately it seems that time is getting short and we may be faced with a different situation. I started this topic to deal with this different situation (a very real possiblity), the imposition of martial law. Since this is one of the steps that the feds are planning.
Questions for dadaorwell: Could you explain why you have made the suggestion to readers that I am a fed? Could explain why you think that I do not participate in CD? Maybe you could start a topic on how to recognize a federal agent on a forum? Another one might be how to recognize who does or does not participate in CD.
More for dadaorwell: It looks like the intention of your post was to suggest that I am one of the enemy and to take this discussion topic off in another direction. In regards to your remarks about "seizing gun shops"; you are right we shouldn't take them away from the gun shop owners,,, as long as they are on the right side of things. The point I was trying to make was only in the case of a conflict between the gov and the people, in which case it would be important to make sure these assets are not available to the feds or any criminal elements (also if a conflict lasted a long time we may need them) that are likely to rear their ugly heads in the chaos (as TylerM mentioned). I didn't realize that I was not clear enough about this point.
Back to the point:
I hope that this discussion about what actions to take in the case of conflict can be continued. If someone would like to go in another direction with it could you start a new topic?
As I stated in the first post here I would like readers input about what to do if this all turns into a conflict. I am not going to hide the fact that I think it will eventually come to that. I don't relish the thought of it by any means but am sure that if it happens that I would like the good guys to win with the utmost expedience. Winning in this undesirable situation is what this topic is about any suggestions on how to make it work with the least amount of bloodshed would be appreciated.
Robfromboston Newbie
Joined: Jun 13, 2007
Posts: 17
Posted:
Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:23 pm
The time is now . . If you've got a place then why not follow the example that's been set? Don't break any laws - just do what you know is right . . especially if you live in NH.
Be prepared to face the consequences. Make sure you can live without outside power / water / sewer services.
Malarky20 --BANNED-- by Admins
Joined: Jun 19, 2007
Posts: 9
Posted:
Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:17 pm
This is no revolution, the brown's are not martyrs. Do what you think is right, protest, educate yourself and others. But hold no delusions, this won't spill into the streets and it won't start a revolution. Although I think that waving the rattlesnake flag simply helps someone better fit into the "militia hick" mold, I admire the steadfast, responsible, and thought out conviction of some people. On the other hand, I feel embarrassed for the people whose first response is violence, it's truly pathetic. The browns say they are interested in following the law, and pay the taxes that they feel are legitimate--but seem to be blind to the fact that there has been a law backing the income tax since something like 1913. Do you really want to end someone's life or possibly your own life for someone who is so obsessed with themselves that they ignore the facts?
soildruid Newbie
Joined: Apr 30, 2007
Posts: 15
Posted:
Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:39 pm
....their back.....
Malarky20 --BANNED-- by Admins
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Posted:
Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:55 am
Before you criticize whatever I have to say, learn to use the English language correctly. There's nothing more annoying than reading in the news about supporters of the Browns such as Randy Weaver who speak like 2 year olds ('Aint this 'Aint that)--People who think they know "the way" when they can't even articulate it.
soildruid Newbie
Joined: Apr 30, 2007
Posts: 15
Posted:
Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:36 am
truth kills...obviously i have wounded you ..aint that a shame...your the one to blame
Malarky20 --BANNED-- by Admins
Joined: Jun 19, 2007
Posts: 9
Posted:
Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:50 am
No, I just hate feeling embarrassed for people.
natureschaos Newbie
Joined: Jun 13, 2007
Posts: 12
Location: Kansas
Posted:
Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:25 pm
is Malarky really gone!?!? LOL I'm sitting here getting all serious thinking about these questions, reading through the other posts, and then getting an attitude about this monkey guy for pulling us OFF TOPIC!
Obviously there are questions to consider, options to think about, even if we don't know what tomorrow will bring. I'm with everyone who thinks we have to be READY, period.
Local law enforcement was brought up. This could probably be an area that can be primed a bit before the crap gets going. Jack McLamb, as I'm sure you all know, would be a good resource to enlighten them to. We know there are patriots in that profession, it's just a matter of getting them to communicate with one another and be aware of what is happening. There is an open letter to police & military on McLamb's website that might be good to spread out.
I think we all have some serious scenarios playing out for the future. It's obvious we need people who are "normal" playing along in the mess, as well as those underground, moving silently between actions. It's obvious we'll need routes, people, "normals" willing to welcome uncle Jim and aunt Mary in to visit once in a while, etc.
I'm sure our fine service members in this group, as well as the militia working hard for these causes are very qualified for strategy and logistics and I am by no means qualified to give direction. I just see what I see and hope what I see can be averted, if at all possible. But in the meantime, stocking up, gathering odds and ends that may be useful, thinking about the boonies, trying to find people of "like-mind" in order to establish some kind of base in our specific neck of the woods, etc.
I'm very isolated here, folks. But I see it coming, and it doesn't look pretty. I've seen it "begin" in the NE. And this is just basing my scenario on Ed & Elaine. As for a false-flag? As for martial law? As for mass exodus or casualties, or nationwide hysteria, I do not know yet. I think we have to be ready, PERIOD.
Collect what you can. I visited a shop here the other day and was told that ammo has been held back until AFTER November for all non-military use. I know since Kansas is basically numb to what is happening, even with my efforts, there is some supplies available. We may want to have plenty of contacts with contacts in various parts of the nation who can get and gather supplies under cover of normalcy in order to get stuff shipped into wherever that ends up being. Transportation, resources.
I have talked to people who are interested in the boonie idea. They are looking for people to do it with them. Like-mind, common dreams have to be considered. This needs to be worked on immediately if at all possible.
And let me just reiterate the HARDCOPY MAPS. We cannot be led to believe that our electronic age is going to be there in a worst case scenario. GPS is not gonna help anyone if it's down. I don't want them tracking MY a** either. Hardcopy is fundamental, it is a BASIC tool. GPS my a**. We have to be willing & able to be completely cut off.
my two cents.
NathanHalesrelative Newbie
Joined: Jun 14, 2007
Posts: 73
Posted:
Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:21 pm
Ditto on "get ready".
My 2 cents on a couple of points that Natureschaos mentioned:
Which side local law enforcement stands on is an important factor for obvious reasons. The question is what they will base their decision on (their oath to uphold the constitution, orders from above, belief that authority is always right, or an inclination to follow the feds lead). I know that it isn't possible to say that all cops are good or bad, but I think it would be helpful to know which direction they would point their gun if/when things get bad. Why don't we just ask them which side of this they would stand on? I'm sure that it is a case of easier said than done.
Is it possible for a "concerned citizens" group to arrange a meeting with the local sheriff or police chief to discuss what their actions would be if such a situation arose? Since they are public servants, why not arrange to meet with them to discuss policy? Of course the result may be that you would have clearly identified yourself as one of the good guys to one of the bad guys in doing so. Or it might be a good opportunity to leave films or this open letter that Natureschaos mentioned with them. Or, maybe they will work on a plan of how to protect the community. What about the mayors? What about people who own or are in control of important assets or facilties (water treatment plant, supermarkets, gun and ammunition supply stores, other equipment suppliers,,,,)
Could someone tell me what the "boonie idea" is or tell me how to do a search so I can read about it? I haven't heard of it before.
Teslason Newbie
Joined: Jun 13, 2007
Posts: 77
Posted:
Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:52 pm
Thanks, DADA. That was a good contribution, and each citizen must be outfitted with any and all tools for revolution/resolution that they feel comfortable with weilding. I grew up in Declaration signer Whipple's home [1741] in Epping, NH. I have one of those copies he left hidden in the attic. I'm not sure whether to sell it or burn it on high definition video in protest-at least 1point four up in smoke...
What to do "in case..."? Its not a matter of when. The Revolution has already been irretrivable launched, cannot be stopped. The best defense is a good offense. Tactical vulnerabilities cut both ways.
Former top secret S.A.C. & T.A.C. spy, "The Generalissimo" says 4 loose MK28's @ 1.2 Meg say we have already won, we just need the monster to stop thrashing and die.
natureschaos Newbie
Joined: Jun 13, 2007
Posts: 12
Location: Kansas
Posted:
Thu Jun 21, 2007 5:36 pm
NathanHalesrelative wrote:
Ditto on "get ready".
My 2 cents on a couple of points that Natureschaos mentioned:
Which side local law enforcement stands on is an important factor for obvious reasons. The question is what they will base their decision on (their oath to uphold the constitution, orders from above, belief that authority is always right, or an inclination to follow the feds lead). I know that it isn't possible to say that all cops are good or bad, but I think it would be helpful to know which direction they would point their gun if/when things get bad. Why don't we just ask them which side of this they would stand on? I'm sure that it is a case of easier said than done.
Is it possible for a "concerned citizens" group to arrange a meeting with the local sheriff or police chief to discuss what their actions would be if such a situation arose? Since they are public servants, why not arrange to meet with them to discuss policy? Of course the result may be that you would have clearly identified yourself as one of the good guys to one of the bad guys in doing so. Or it might be a good opportunity to leave films or this open letter that Natureschaos mentioned with them. Or, maybe they will work on a plan of how to protect the community. What about the mayors? What about people who own or are in control of important assets or facilties (water treatment plant, supermarkets, gun and ammunition supply stores, other equipment suppliers,,,,)
Could someone tell me what the "boonie idea" is or tell me how to do a search so I can read about it? I haven't heard of it before.
Excellent suggestions. YES!
As for the boonie idea, basically I am referring to finding an old chunk of land outside the range of our urban zone. An old farm property? Acreage that is attainable and sustainable? Maybe communal partnerships where everyone works together for the common good of the "village" so to speak. Of course, in the context with which I was referring it could be a place where people gather together in times of crisis, work from, etc. Boonie is basically OUTSIDE typical urbania, even WAY outside. More and more people are considering a move outside the danger zone. Hopefully people find each other soon.
Ahmed Initiate
Joined: Jun 20, 2007
Posts: 430
Posted:
Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:09 pm
First, know the laws that can be enforced against you. There are ways of comporting oneself that minimize risk.
(a)(1) Whoever teaches or demonstrates to any other person the use, application, or making of any firearm or explosive or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, knowing or having reason to know or intending that the same will be unlawfully employed for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder which may in any way or degree obstruct, delay, or adversely affect commerce or the movement of any article or commodity in commerce or the conduct or performance of any federally protected function;
Second, everyone can play a part. One needn\'t carry arms to be effective. For example, women can be very effective in gathering intelligence. They tap into a lot of social networks where useful information is exchanged. Hence it is important for these agents to be well-liked and popular. The idea of getting in the face of the \"authorities\" is naive. Rather, you have to charm them.
Third, there are a lot of substances and items that are useful and anyone can accumulate them. Cutting lasers for example. You want to be careful with these, because if they are accidentally pointed to the sky, they could blind a helicopter pilot. Cyanoacrylate (\"crazy glue\") can be purchased in bulk from industrial suppliers. It\'s useful for wound sealing in emergencies (it was developed for Vietnam era battlefield wounds). But of course you need to be careful not to get it into any machinery.
Speaking of machinery, there are some nice photos of the Talon/SWORD robots used by the NH State police here:
That\'s enough for this message, maybe I\'ll continue the list later...
Teslason Newbie
Joined: Jun 13, 2007
Posts: 77
Posted:
Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:20 pm
I MUST alert some of you to the flaws in your conventional thinking. While admirable to intend to "be lawful" one must bear in mind that legislation, words on paper, are like magic spells, they only work if you believe in the "spell". The only real law is that which is IN PEOPLES HEARTS. It is Impossible to comply with any law without that compliance being in conflict with some other law, there are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of laws, unequally administered & applied, in 3000 counties, 50 states, and multiple sub-jurisdictions. In fact, any well educated legal expert will tell you, the "law" is whatever you want it to be, and it can be used, or mis-used, for any purpose. It is smoke and mirrors. The justice system is called "Criminal Justice", not as a joke, but as fact. IT IS CRIMINAL.
Revolution means we are all responsible for our own actions; I trust VIGILANTES, do not trust "officials". In the war to end the threat of nuclear anihilation of all the futures of all mankind forever- do you really wish to RESTRAIN yourself, limit yourself, chain yourself to conventional limitations? Hell no- anything goes, we ONLY ANSWER to GOD, and THIS IS A MISSION FROM GOD!
natureschaos Newbie
Joined: Jun 13, 2007
Posts: 12
Location: Kansas
Posted:
Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:04 pm
Teslason wrote:
I MUST alert some of you to the flaws in your conventional thinking. While admirable to intend to "be lawful" one must bear in mind that legislation, words on paper, are like magic spells, they only work if you believe in the "spell". The only real law is that which is IN PEOPLES HEARTS. It is Impossible to comply with any law without that compliance being in conflict with some other law, there are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of laws, unequally administered & applied, in 3000 counties, 50 states, and multiple sub-jurisdictions. In fact, any well educated legal expert will tell you, the "law" is whatever you want it to be, and it can be used, or mis-used, for any purpose. It is smoke and mirrors. The justice system is called "Criminal Justice", not as a joke, but as fact. IT IS CRIMINAL.
Revolution means we are all responsible for our own actions; I trust VIGILANTES, do not trust "officials". In the war to end the threat of nuclear anihilation of all the futures of all mankind forever- do you really wish to RESTRAIN yourself, limit yourself, chain yourself to conventional limitations? Hell no- anything goes, we ONLY ANSWER to GOD, and THIS IS A MISSION FROM GOD!
As this has become rather clearer for me over the last couple of weeks, so, too, it will become more clear for those just now making their way into the rabbit hole. Everything has become questionable. EVERYTHING.
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