Lies of a Liberty Dollar troll - A liberty dollar is not worth a dollar. Its worth 75 cents. They should be charged with a crime. You may ask if the store accepts Liberty Dollars, but you cannot present them as payment without agreement. They are not accepted at banks, government offi

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A liberty dollar is not worth a dollar. Its worth 75 cents.

They should be charged with a crime. You may ask if the store accepts Liberty Dollars, but you cannot present them as payment without agreement. They are not accepted at banks, government offices, the Post office, and almost all stores. After you get conned into accepting ones you then must con someone else to get rid of them.

Liberty Dollars are not legal tender and they are not worth face value. And 'vendors' buy them for a discount. If I went to your store to buy something and you said the price was $40. Then I offered you tokens that showed a face value of $40 but are only worth $30 dollars?

That would be a con, right? The one ounce of silver in the $20 Liberty Dollar is worth slightly less than $15.

http://www.monex.com/monex/controller?pageid=prices

I have no problem with a value based currency, but that does not mean the Liberty Dollar is a solution. What LD represents is a scam that targets patriots.

The so-called victims here are scammers!

On May 6, Kranish was getting something to eat at the Dari-Ripple in Walworth and attempted to pay for his meal with a $20 "fine silver Liberty Dollar." Shortly after he gave it to the clerk, a police officer arrived and started asking him questions.

If they were a Liberty Associate the $20 'fine silver' token that he offered did not cost him $20.

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Associates get the Liberty Dollar at a discount and are encouraged to use it at a profit. They simply make money by exchanging their US dollars for the new gold and silver money, and spend the new Liberty Dollar into circulation. Associates support the Liberty Dollar by simply using the new currency in everyday transactions.
http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/get-started/liberty-associate.htm

Wouldn't you like to buy money at a discount? If the currency is so much better why are they accepting the evil FRN as payment?

You should be ashamed of yourselves! Passing off fake money to make a profit.

Have you ever thought of all those people who lost their jobs because they accepted your crap tokens in place of cash? What about all the others who couldn't put it in the bank or sucker someone else into taking it? You robbed them!

YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED!

**Member** Joined: Jun 12, 2007 Posts: 2924

Listen you creep of a Troll.................do not come here to insult Shaun or his wife Lana. We will not put up with it.

If you read Shaun's post you would note that he offered it to them and if they did not want it he had the federal notes out to pay them. So don't you dare come here falsely accusing people of things they did not do.

Who the hell are you anyway.....................more government scum. The same people who have taken away our Constitutionsal right to mint our own money. The same scum who for approximately 90 years have committed fraud against the American people with the illegal income tax crap. The same scum who had shipped all of our gold overseas. Why don't you spent you time going after the real criminals who have robbed you blind like the Federal Reserve and the criminal IRS. Don't come here with your thug like attitude and think for one minuite you can con us or frighten us. It doesn't work any more. I suggest you go after the real criminals like Bernake head of the Federal Reserve.

A good place to start is the YouTube video of Ron Paul doing a geat slap down of Bernake at the House Financial Services Hearings on "Subprime Problems and Solutions. that were held yesterday." Where indeed is the moral justification for deliberately devaluating the currency. Watch Bernake the scum squirm. He and the people at the Federal Reserve are the real criminals not people on this forum who want to expose them!

There is also such a thing as bartering. If that store wanted to give a meal for Shaun's labor or some other item that he had.............would you call that illegal? Who are you to put a value on anything. If I had a certain set of coins and I was missing one more to complete that set, it is my right to pay whatever I want for that item. By the way silver went up over $13.00 yesterday making that liberty dollor even more valuable that the face value. Sometimes I may get a bargin and other times I will pay a bit more than the going rate just because I want the coin. That is called freedom ...........get it.............and there is no crime here...........so stop pointing your finger at Shaun and or Lana.

If you are who I think you are, it is time you take a look at your own actions and what you are doing with your life. Maybe acting like a goon is your idea of greatness..........but only in your own head. Take your arch and stuff it because you are no angel!!!

You reek of the stupidity that we now see constantly within the ranks of law enforsement and petty little government slaves. All of you feeding off the government tate! Go find yourself another site to spew your disinformation. Your are nothing but a traitor to the American people. We are on to the likes of you dumbdumb..........what's the matter afraid you are going to loose your pathetic little job and don't have the skills or intelligence to get another?

ArchAngel my ass............you would sell your soul to the highest bidder. You have. You are the scum and a fraud.............go apply to Blackwater..........they might take you on. In the mean time do some bloody research, you make yourself look foolish!

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If you read Shaun's post you would note that he offered it to them and if they did not want it he had the federal notes out to pay them. So don't you dare come here falsely accusing people of things they did not do.

So what if he had FRNs in his pocket? He did not make an offer to barter. He presented non-currency as payment.

That is retail theft. The receiver must have agreed to the bartering. The ones who had accepted in the past were DUPED!

And where does he tell the cashier that the $20 token has less than $15 worth of silver in it?

Liberty dollars are a SCAM!

You go on and on about the Fed and the evil government, but they are stealing less from you than Liberty Dollar is!

As for your insults... Rolling Eyes

And calling me a government agent.... Surprised

Please, get off your waggon.

A friend of my neice lost her job for accepting Liberty Dollars from customers. After that I did some research.

ITS A SCAM! And its designed to target Patriots.

So wave your flag and give your money to LD and help support their associates lifestyle.

But don't think it makes you free, or that you are smart for dealing with them.

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Are you denying that one Liberty Dollar is worth less than 75 Cents?

If you think its worth more explain why the silver in the LD is worth more than other silver.

Initiate Joined: Jun 23, 2007 Posts: 259

First of all, your relative should have asked her boss or someone in authority over her before accepting silver.

Would it not be fraud to take a Federal Reserve Note to a business and pay for an item with that Federal Reserve Note?

How can you pay for a pair of shoes with a bill of credit?

You see, you don't actually own the shoes until the national debt is paid.

Can you pay a phone bill with an electric bill? No!

To reduce a debt or pay a bill, you must have money.

Money is an asset! gold & silver coin
Federal Reserve Notes are - liabilities - evidences of debt.

We need to restore financial responsibility.
Obey the Constitution!

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Rella wrote:

First of all, your relative should have asked her boss or someone in authority over her before accepting silver.

Would it not be fraud to take a Federal Reserve Note to a business and pay for an item with that Federal Reserve Note?

How can you pay for a pair of shoes with a bill of credit?

You see, you don't actually own the shoes until the national debt is paid.

Can you pay a phone bill with an electric bill? No!

To reduce a debt or pay a bill, you must have money.

Money is an asset! gold & silver coin
Federal Reserve Notes are - liabilities - evidences of debt.

We need to restore financial responsibility.
Obey the Constitution!

I can pay all of those bills with FRNs.

I cannot pay any of them with Liberty Dollars.

Go to the bank, the post office, the grovery store, government offices, walmat, the 7-11 and other places where goods and services are exchanged.

Try to use your Liberty Dollars there. They will not be accepted.

So, you are wrong. You can pay for all your debts with the FRN, but not the LD.

Would it not be fraud to take a Federal Reserve Note to a business and pay for an item with that Federal Reserve Note?

No, thats not fraud. But trying to use LDs is a fraud!

You are offering 75 cents of value for $1 worth of goods when you do this.

Sure, the retailer can offer to accept LDs, or you can propose barter instead of payment.

But simply handing over a LD and expecting it to be accepted is RETAIL THEFT!

They must agree to accept the $15 worth of silver in place of $20 in FRNs.

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Right on Rella, this fool thinks the creative reality of this Bush Administration is still working. They are so transparent it is rediculous. Just another fool spouting talking points that make no sense whatsoever.

This guys masters are desperate now because of the New World Order being exposed they are becoming paniced. They have been exposed on every level for the real traitors they are.

Initiate Joined: Jun 23, 2007 Posts: 259

No you can't pay for anything with a credit bill. If you purchase anything with a Federal Reserve Note under the belief that the FRN is money, you committed a fraud. The FRN is an evidence of a debt that is to be paid later.

In issuing Federal Reserve Notes - the Federal Reserve has given you credit. Example: You bought a hamburger on the credit.

You may have gotten the hamburger and ate it, but you didn't pay for it.

You can't purchase anything with a Federal Reserve Note.

If fraud is "an intentional perversion of Truth..." is it fraud to issue credit and call it money?

You need to know the difference.

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Money is an asset! gold & silver coin
Federal Reserve Notes are - liabilities - evidences of debt.

I agree! But the LD is not a solution.

In fact it will turn off people who might have joined in with another system.

It could only work if all Silver and Gold coins were accepted with equal value for equal content.

The LD does not follow that model so it is doomed to fail. The dealers will always be motivated by the power to make money by handing out tokens with fiat denominations.

Why can't you people understand.

One ounce of silver = Less than $15

One ounce Silver Liberty Dollar = $20

Says who? When did I vote in a national referendum to give LD the power to create face value by fiat?

I don't believe that ever happened.

Sure, I could accept them for trade, but I could also accept a crate of eggs, or a flock of geese.....And I might do better that way compared with LDs.

Initiate Joined: Jun 23, 2007 Posts: 259

I agree with you on the value of silver.

Yet, the FRN's are a much bigger fraud.

I once heard that "desperate times call for desperate measures."

I've done some things at times that didn't make sense just to get the attention of the recipients. It gave me an opportunity to talk to them about real TRUTH.

Shaun, I beleive, is trying to bring attention to the pubic. We can all learn from this!

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Rella wrote:

No you can't pay for anything with a credit bill. It is an evidence of a debt that is to be paid later.

WRONG! The mortgage against which the money was issed is the evidence of its debt. The FRN is the ability to repay debt.

The dollar itself is not debt, but it is an instrument of debt in a backwards way.

In issuing Federal Reserve Notes - the Federal Reserve has given you credit. You bought that hamburger on the credit.

WRONG! In issuing credit to the borrower the Fed system has created FRNs.

You may have gotten the hamburger and eat it, but you didn't pay for it.

I most certainly did. You don't understand the other half of money. Money is issued when credit is employed. The value of the security becomes monitized. The debt is on the person who took out the loan, not the person who accepted the FRN's.

BY LAW FRNs may be used to pay debts, and BY LAW FRNs must be accepted for payment of debts.

You can't purchase anything with a Federal Reserve Note.

I just got back from the Chinese Buffet. I paid in FRNs and its not nothing in my stomach right now.

If fraud is "an intentional perversion of Truth..." is it fraud to issue credit and call it money?

The credit and the money are two sides of the same system. You miss the other half.

You need to know the difference.

I understand far better than you imagine. I fully support Ron Paul for President and I fully support cutting the Fed off at the neck.

The current dollar should be replaced with a value backed currency. Maybe not Gold and Silver only, but not debt.

You totally missed the point here. Being against the Fed and the fiat currency system and being against the Liberty Dollar are not mutually exclusive.

Anyone who really understands would be against both scams!

Initiate Joined: Jun 23, 2007 Posts: 259

By law? By law? What is the law? The U.S. Constitution!
"Congress has the power to "coin money" not issue credit.

"The U.S. Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land and any Statute to be valid has to be in agreement". The Federal Reserve is not law nor has ever been. It is usurped unlawfully authority

Communist Manifesto Plank 5: "Centralization of Credit in the hands of the state ...."

Communist Manifesto Plank 2: "A gradual or progressive income tax".

It destroys the middle class:

Black's Law Dictionary - Federal Reserve Note - is a credit bill.
It is a promissory note - a promise to pay! It is not payment.

You can't not pay a debt with a debt note.
The person you gave FRN's for you lunch - is holding your promise to pay!

Can you explain how a promise to pay can be payment?

You can't pay anything until the national debt is paid. As I stated, you have been given credit.

I can go into further detail on "negotiating a worthless instrument."

Something that is credit - has no value whatsoever -

not even 75 cents

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Can you explain how a promise to pay can be payment?

Yes. The promise to pay is backed by the security against which credit was issued. Not the dollar itself. The value is the thing being held as security.

Most of the money is circulation is backed up by homes of Americans.

It is a credit note, not a debt note. The debt note is the mortgage.

You can pay because of Federal Law. Like it or not the Federal Reserve Act passes the house, senate, and president. FRNs became legal tender.

As for your quotes, like it or not, the reality is not what you suppose.

"Congress has the power to "coin money" not issue credit.

Congress is not the one coining the money or issuing the credit. It is the Federal Reserve which is a private corporation.

Initiate Joined: Jun 23, 2007 Posts: 259

Can you show me in the U. S. Constitution where "we the people" gave the Federal Reserve any power?

We the people - gave "Congress the power to coin money..." not issue credit.

Even Congress does not have the power to issue credit.

Watch the DVD - America: From Freedom to Fascism.

Initiate Joined: Jun 23, 2007 Posts: 259

Reality is TRUTH. What is not real is an illusion. The belief that FRN'S are money is the illusion. It's also a big lie!

Congress passed the Federal Reserve Act when most of Congress was on vacation. Wasn't that nifty??

Congress shall have the power to coin money.

As I stated earlier, "the U.S. Constitution is the law of the land and any Statute to be valid has to be in agreement."

How can the FED then be lawful if it is not in agreement?

Federal Reserve Notes say that they are "legal tender" - but they are not "lawful money".

"Lawful money is gold and silver coin."

All my quotes???? Why don't you admit that the U.S. Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land? Are you working for the government?

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Rella wrote:

Can you show me in the U. S. Constitution where "we the people" gave the Federal Reserve any power?

We the people - gave "Congress the power to coin money..." not issue credit.

Even Congress does not have the power to issue credit.

Watch the DVD - America: From Freedom to Fascism.

You are missing the point. If congress wanted they could instruct the Treasury to issue One dollar coins with one ounce of silver. States could do the same. By law they would have to be accepted at face value, just like your old silver dollars.

The constitution defines what congress and states may and may not do.

But it didn't say anything about what private corporations can and cannot do.

The LAW that makes the FRN into legal tender is the Federal Reserve Act which passed both houses and was signed by the President.

The original Act was not written by anyone in government, it was written by a group of bankers at Jekyll Island. Congress made a few changes, but the results simply hid its power even better.

Was it legal? Yes.

Is it good for America or Americans? NO!

But, it is the law. Like it or not. If you want to do something strike at the source. Don't buy Liberty Dollars. That only helps the scammers and places us even further from a value based currency.

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ArchAngel wrote:

A liberty dollar is not worth a dollar. Its worth 75 cents.

maybe you can clue me in here.

Does the liberty dollar have stamped on it that it is worth one US dollar?

If not it is no scam.
It may only be worth .75 cents of federal reserve dollars. But if the Liberty dollars are considered a currency they may well be worth 1 LIBERTY Dollar.

It is the same as currency from other nations. What you describe does not seem a scam but an exchange rate.
Unless the Liberty dollar states it is equivalent to one US dollar it is no scam.

Also one could surmise that the value of said Liberty dollar will continue to climb as the value of US dollars falls. So in time it may be worth much more than a US dollar.
Will that still be a scam?

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JoshF wrote:

ArchAngel wrote:

A liberty dollar is not worth a dollar. Its worth 75 cents.

maybe you can clue me in here.

Does the liberty dollar have stamped on it that it is worth one US dollar?

If not it is no scam.
It may only be worth .75 cents of federal reserve dollars. But if the Liberty dollars are considered a currency they may well be worth 1 LIBERTY Dollar.

It is the same as currency money from other nations. What you describe does not seem a scam but an exchange rate.
Unless the Liberty dollar states it is equivalent to one US dollar it is no scam.

Also one could surmise that the value of said Liberty dollar will continue to climb as the value of US dollars falls. So in time it may be worth much more than a US dollar.
Will that still be a scam?

One ounce tokens are Printed $20.

Liberty Dollars are not currency, nor are they coin, or are they like currency from other nations. They are not accepted at any bank or government office, or 99%+ of stores.

They are a token sold by a private mint.

The value is the Silver or Gold within and at todays prices a $20 LD Token is worth less than $15.

I could stamp out big copper coins and print $100 on them. I could ask that people accept them in trade at face value. And I would be a con artist if I got away with it.

LD is doing much the same, but they are putting some value in the coins and selling with lots of hype.

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Rella wrote:

Reality is TRUTH. What is not real is an illusion. The belief that FRN'S are money is the illusion. It's also a big lie!

Congress passed the Federal Reserve Act when most of Congress was on vacation. Wasn't that nifty??

Congress shall have the power to coin money.

As I stated earlier, "the U.S. Constitution is the law of the land and any Statute to be valid has to be in agreement."

How can the FED then be lawful if it is not in agreement?

Federal Reserve Notes say that they are "legal tender" - but they are not "lawful money".

"Lawful money is gold and silver coin."

All my quotes???? Why don't you admit that the U.S. Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land? Are you working for the government?

Congress has the power to coin and print money. And the gov does, through the treasury. But thats not the power. The power is issuing the currency.

Congress gave that power to the Fed. It is now law. Yes, it is lawful. It is the law of the land.

The constitution was not violated with the FRA. It was a way to get around the law and it worked.

No, I don't work for the fed. I just can't stand it when Liberty Dollar Scammers sucker in good hearted patriots.

I stand with you against the Fed, and other scammers who do the same thing like Liberty Dollar.

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Here is a good test for the 'Patriotism' and 'Value System' of Liberty Dollar Dealers.

Offer them other silver coins in place of a $20 bill. See how they react.

Then you might see through to the heart where they make money by getting you to take LDs. They don't want your silver and they certainly don't want to pay $20 an ounce if they did want it.

They want LDs to go out so that FREE MONEY comes in to them.

And what is that money? It is the same dirty, evil FRNs that they just railed against to con you into accepting LDs.

If you want to save money with Silver buy real coins.

If you want to spend money use FRNs.

Never buy LD's. They serve neither purpose.

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Also one could surmise that the value of said Liberty dollar will continue to climb as the value of US dollars falls. So in time it may be worth much more than a US dollar.

If you want to save silver as a hedge against inflation then go buy silver.

Just don't be an idiot and pay $20 an ounce for LDs.

You are trying to make a stretch from problem to solution without looking where you have jumped.

Its the old dichotomy play. Offer two solutions, what the people don't want and what you want.

There is another solution. True value based currency. But you won't get that from the Fed or from LD.

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If not it is no scam.

If I take something worth only $15 dollars and offer it as payment for a $20 dollar bill, I am a scammer.

It is a scam. It preys on peoples ignorance and anger.

Newbie Joined: Sep 18, 2007 Posts: 20

[quote="ArchAngel"]

JoshF wrote:

ArchAngel wrote:

A liberty dollar is not worth a dollar. Its worth 75 cents.

maybe you can clue me in here.

Does the liberty dollar have stamped on it that it is worth one US dollar?

If not it is no scam.
It may only be worth .75 cents of federal reserve dollars. But if the Liberty dollars are considered a currency they may well be worth 1 LIBERTY Dollar.

It is the same as currency money from other nations. What you describe does not seem a scam but an exchange rate.
Unless the Liberty dollar states it is equivalent to one US dollar it is no scam.

Also one could surmise that the value of said Liberty dollar will continue to climb as the value of US dollars falls. So in time it may be worth much more than a US dollar.
Will that still be a scam?

ArchAngel wrote:

One ounce tokens are Printed $20.

So you contend that using the $ symbol is a direct attempt to convince people they are worth the same amount as US dollars.

ArchAngel wrote:

Liberty Dollars are not currency, nor are they coin, or are they like currency from other nations. They are not accepted at any bank or government office,

Do they have to be accepted by government to be of value?

ArchAngel wrote:

or 99%+ of stores.

Also silver and gold bars,which you believe are of value are not accepted in most stores,does this make them a fraud?

ArchAngel wrote:

They are a token sold by a private mint.

Sure and their goal is to make a profit

ArchAngel wrote:

The value is the Silver or Gold within and at todays prices a $20 LD Token is worth less than $15.

Ok I understand so the value of the silver in US dollars is not the same as the number stamped on the coin. I believe this is a very important point to consider.
But are you considering any numismatic value.

ArchAngel wrote:

I could stamp out big copper coins and print $100 on them. I could ask that people accept them in trade at face value.

You sure could. have at it

ArchAngel wrote:

And I would be a con artist if I got away with it.

No you certainly would not.
The only real way to determine value or worth is what people are willing to pay or trade for an item. I have seen items that required large amounts of raw material and labor to creat that no one would buy. they were worthless. Also I have seen the reverse.
(Surely you have seen pet rocks.)

ArchAngel wrote:

LD is doing much the same, but they are putting some value in the coins and selling with lots of hype.

Again, liberty dollars(or anything else) are worth whatever people will pay for them. It could be more or less than face value. Even the precious metals in the liberty dollars are worthless if no one desires them.

Initiate Joined: Jun 23, 2007 Posts: 259

The U.S. Constitution is the Law of the Land.

We delegated authority to the government only:

We didn't give any private corporation any authority in the Constitution to issue credit.

Neither did we not give it to Congress:

Furthermore, the Constitution says "No state shall make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debt." Even the States are not supposed to accept Federal Reserve Notes for payment of taxes.

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Ok I understand so the value of the silver in US dollars is not the same as the number stamped on the coin. I believe this is a very important point to consider.
But are you considering any numismatic value.

The fact that the value stamped on the LD is greater than the value of the metal is solid proof that it is a scam.

And it need not be illegal for it to be a scam.

Crime and scam are not the same. The crime would be to give it as payment instead of FRNs without first bartering.

And no, it does not have any numismatic value. It is not a coin.

It is a token that has a small value from its unit form, may have some novelty value in the distant future, but it will never be worth more than a REAL coin.

**Member** Joined: Jun 12, 2007 Posts: 2924

If you are not a government troll then stop acting like one. You distated that Shaun had the FRN IN HIS POCKET.................THAT IS NOT TRUE HE HAD THEM ON THE COUNTER READY TO TAKE BACK HIS LD FOR THE FRN's.

Americe needs to wake up and find out what is happening with our dollar and get rid of the FR. We need to go back to the Constitution. The central banks have had a strangle hold on the working and middle class. The FR has committed a bank robery on the American people. The only one who has asked the tough questions about all of this is Ron Paul.

Would it not have been better on the police's part to allow Sean to take back his LD and give them the FRN that they seemed to prefer. It is getting to the point where the police or government are involved in every part of our lives. I for one am sick of it. Of course the corporate judicial system make out like bandits making criminals of everyone. We don't need or want them in our lives.

Initiate Joined: Jun 23, 2007 Posts: 259

Congress has the power to "coin money".

If Congress does not have the power to issue credit - which is doesn't - then where in the hell do you get the idea that Congress can give authority that it doesn't have - to someone else.

That is ridiculous!

To change the Constitution requires a Constitutional Amendment - not a ridiculous act of Congress. It doesn't make a damn if every Congressman, Senator, and the President signed it.

It takes two thirds vote of the States to amend the Constitution. So, don't try to tell me that the Federal Reserve Act is Law. It violates the Constitution and is therefore void.

Find out the true definition of a dollar, and then tell me if a FRN is a dollar which it claims to be. That is another fraud!

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Rella wrote:

The U.S. Constitution is the Law of the Land.

We delegated authority to the government only:

We didn't give any private corporation any authority in the Constitution to issue credit.

Neither did we not give it to Congress:.

Agreed. But we did give congress the authority to create law, and they created the Federal Reserve giving them the power to issue FRNs and making them legal tender.

Furthermore, the Constitution says "No state shall make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debt." Even the States are not supposed to accept Federal Reserve Notes for payment of taxes.

The states did not make something other than Gold and Silver into legal tender.

The Federal Government did! States may still issue Gold and Silver coins if the wish, but one ounce of silver will be valued at only one dollar and one ounce of gold at $50. It would explain why they don't issue coins anymore....

Initiate Joined: Jun 23, 2007 Posts: 259

Furthermore: The Constitution limits government.

Where in the hell did you get the idea that it doesn't say anything about private corporations? What the hell does that have to do with Congress being subject to the Law of the Land.