Obama info. - Everything fits right in tune with the New World Order with Obama. Where does he think $845 Billion will come from to help 'World Poverty' will come from as the uSA is BROKE now. Also, to borrow that money or print it up would either indebt the US citiz

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Everything fits right in tune with the New World Order with Obama. Where does he think $845 Billion will come from to help 'World Poverty' will come from as the uSA is BROKE now. Also, to borrow that money or print it up would either indebt the US citizens and make the International Bankers Richer, or devalue the dollar so much making all here and those tied to the dollar (practically the whole world) in poverty.

Who in their right mind would vote for President someone that smokes? You don't try to quit smoking while your running for president.

Others are soo impressed with his speeches and I ask them what were the issues, they fumble, say 'uhh' and then start talking about 'change'. Riiiggghhht, I say. Point taken.

Member of the CFR so I hear, flip flops on stuff according to the next article, him and Hillary are considering 'punitive' measures to coerce people to buy into a health insurance program even if they don't want to.

"The Obama Craze: Count Me Out"
http://www.beyondchron.org/news/index.php?itemid=5413#more

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 12:48 pm

Obama is just a shill like all the rest of the mainstream candidates. They rigg these elections in similar fashion as they do WWE pro wrestling matches. In retrospect I have no doubt that Ross Perot won the 92 election. Also I find it virtually impossible to believe that Bush won the state of Ohio in the 2004 election. The state of Ohio is a heavy labor union state that lost scores of jobs going overseas due to the policies implemented by the Bush administration. It just doesn't add up that they would re-elect a guy who literally "Judasized" the state and proved to be a phony conservative at best.

Also the very strange way that Kerry conseded the 2004 election was extremely strange to say the least. Also he was virtually never to be heard from again for a long time afterwards. So even if the CFR and the Bilderbergers have chose Obama to be their poster boy you can bet that they will use him for a scapegoat for when the country goes completely into the toilet.

With an apparent choice of Obama and McCain for the president job is really a very, very sad commentary for this country as a whole. But as decadent and sick as this nation has become it might even serve as a barometer as to how deeply decayed this country is. GOD help us>>> JD

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So my 'Father' recommended this Obama video. I watched it to see if Obama says anything, to see if anything has changed, cause in the begining all he said was fluff and hope/change; no issue positions.. I must say it is not worth watching, but if you do for some reason, you may like to compare my notes on the subject matter.
http://pol.moveon.org/obamaspeech/?id=12333-8506408-cwfj8t&t=545

Minutes left of movie...................................Notes

He starts off by stating the founders of this country were for a Democracy (Annoying Buzzer sounds alerting wrong answer; Recite the pledge of allegience folks and do some studying)

35 min. left: I wrote to myself, 'How's black slavery an issue, why bring it up?' because where I live I have seen no race issues since I have lived here since '83, but it may be very different in more southern parts of the country, I have not ever visited there yet.

34 min. left: NO issue positions stated yet.

29: Entertainment: Church/pastor story

26: the surrounding time has been to appeal to religious/bible lovers.

21: NO strategies addressing any issues yet

19: Note: He has been storytelling for the last 10 min. at least (conservative estimate)

14: Continuing storytelling about society and 'racism' but hasn't said any proposals yet.

12: "Working together" he says.

9: 'Change', 'Hope', no issues addressed with any proposals. nothing said yet. comments about discrimination. Fluffy point briefly mentioned: *we must invest in schools and the community
*enforce civil rights and criminal justice.

8: quotes golden rule, and fluff

3: Fluff, Hope. He tells another story and even announces he is going to tell a story- till the end.

I admit, if I were still a mind-numbed being, I would have probably ended up voting for him, cause I would have thought there are only 3 candidates according to the Mainstream Media that I would have still been believing had my journey to awakening not begun by seeing a blip on Yahoo news about Ed and Elaine Brown refusing to pay their income tax until shown the law, and someone on the forum recommending I watch Freedom to Fascism by Aaron Russo.

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Yes, I too feel the same way that you do about Obama.

Now I must admit he has tremendous charisma, he is a great orator and has a wonderful baritone voice. However, if only he was saying the things that Ron Paul had to say. It is almost as if he has a script, he delivers it well and he is not going to make a mistake.

For instance I wish he would say something about the IRS. And because of the devaluation of the dollar in the recent months and especially the recent weeks, can he not address the Federal Reserve. Is he aware that an IRS Agent, an African American is now sitting in Jail because of taking on the criminals ....................is he not ready to lend his hand to help her? When he hears that 1 out of 100 people are now in jail here in the land of the free does he not wish to expose this especially when the majority of these people are either African American and Hispanic.........again people of color. Is he not able to see that might whitey is also in a war of people of color in Iraq. What has changed so much....................or has he been given his orders and he is prepared to do what "they" say. I want to scream will the real Obama please stand up!

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Also, I have a hard time imagining I would ever vote for president someone that is a 'secret smoker'/smoker. No offense to those that smoke currently; it just doesn't meet my desire for trust that someone has my well-being in mind if they choose to treat themselves that way...

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From a www.rense.com link:
http://www.rense.com/general81/islmrc.htm

and
http://www.rense.com/general81/lies.htm

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Obama Calls For National Civilian Stasi

http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-calls-for-national-civilian-stasi.html/comment-page-11/#comments

Here's the first couple paragraphs; I emboldened certain words:
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Prison Planet
Thursday, July 17, 2008

Presidential frontrunner Barack Obama has called for a “civilian national security force” as powerful as the U.S. military, comments that were ignored by the vast majority of the corporate media but compared by one journalist to the Nazi Hitler Youth.

“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded,” Obama told a Colorado Springs audience earlier this month.

Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:06 am

As I said in an earlier post Mr. Obama is a shill. Maidmarion is estute in her observations about Mr. Obama being a great orator. And I don't mean this in any way to disparage or take away from Maidmarion's comments because her input into this Forum has virtually given me a degree in political science. But consider the following people who were also great orators: Adolf Hitler, Ronald Reagan, John Edwards, Joseph Stalin, Benito Mussilini, Emporer Hirohito, Alan Greenspan and about 4 others I could name off the top of my head. However every one on that list were either tyrants or complete phonies as I feel Obama will fall into one of or both of those categories.

He has been carefully groomed and conditioned to do what his masters tell him to do. This coronation of Obama is very eerily similar to the way they catapulted Bill Clinton to the top. Also another thing to consider is that fact that as recently as 2004 he was just elected to his first senate seat. So when you think about it for a moment this guy has very, very little on the job experience. Also he hasn't been in politics long enough to even be a part of the integral network. That election between him and Alan Keyes was rigged like a pinball machine full of magnets because they put Alan Keyes up against him in one of the most ultra-liberal constituencies in the entire nation. Whereas poor Alan Keyes didn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning. Illonois might just as well be referred to as the midwest's answer to California. They are trying to eliminate gun ownership and most other essential liberties and make the entire state so ultra-liberal & bureaucratic that you literally will have to get a permit or license to do anything; and all of a citizen's personal civil liberties will soon be gone as well.

However I think it is all a moote point because for the life of me I can't envision the big boys allowing a black man to be president much less someone with a foreign sounding name. It just wouldn't be consistent with what they've done in the past. But he does make an interesting piece of controlled oposition and he does appeal to the dumbed-down younger voter who is totally unaware of any vitally important issues. That is if they even count anybody's votes to begin with which I am more and more convinced that they don't.

Race is not an issue with me personally or with most of my personal friends and family but I do know how much hatred and prejudism that still exists in this country and I am doubtful that he would win an honest election. And "aa" your suspicion is right about the southern states. I have many relatives in the south and believe me a lot of those "gool ol boys" are still fighting the civil war in those parts of the country.

Again Barrack Obama is there for show. I don't even dismiss the idea of Hillary somehow coming away with the Democratic nomination by some very strange circumstances. But time will tell.

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JD..........................I was in no way promoting Obama. If you have been reading my posts I have over and over again stress that there was no difference between either party.

However what I should have made clearer obviously is that because of Obama's great Oratory skills, his charisma and his rock star qualities, I feel he will be elected. That does not mean that I am support of the content of his oratory. McCain is just playing the role that Dole played for Clinton......in order to pull the wool over the uninformed people and elect Obama. Poor McCain, and I do say that compassionately, he is looking old, doddering and incapable of distinguishing between Shite and Sunni, or Iran or Iraq. His lack of knowledge of the middle east is embarrassing. It appears to me that he is suffering from short term memory loss, which, is an unfortunate fact of growing older. The brain cells die off............sometimes at a more alarming rate in some people than others!

Regardless of who wins they will take their orders from the globalists, the international bankesters, the CFR and that ilk.

There is no question in my mind that the presidential candidates are just puppets. Top tier administrators if you will, but they do not have power. I have stated that over and over again here!

I think the powers that be have already decided that Obama will be president..........so I disagree with you there JD............God McCain is in the beginning stages of dementia!!! I am not saying that to be smart or funny. It is sad to watch him and his old cronies, like Liberman, and Gramm along side him and whispering in his ear.

You may be right though about the south.

One of the things that I think that Obama will have to do to get elected is have Hillary as his running mate................he needs those other 18 million voters that she got! This he is very reluctant to do..............but if he does not.............then maybe McCain will have a chance.

My God what a mess we are in ............ out of all the bight, caring, visionary, honest men in the country and this is what we end up with.

It is so sad that Ron Paul was not younger, more charismatic, and entertainingly funny. Of course we still would have had to deal with the bloody mainstream media ...........wouldn't we?

To the New World Order, both McCain and/or Obama is acceptable..........they have already been vetted and know what their role will be. Sometimes I think we will never be able to take this country back and get it back on the path that the founding fathers laid out for us. It will take time. It took us since Andrew Jackson until now to get into this mess..........hopefully it will not take quite as long restoring the constitutional republic! I just hate even the feel of what is taking place now! Everything has changed so much since 911.

Do not expect the Democrats to repeal all of those Patriot Acts etc that Bush put in place. They will enjoy being dictators just as much as the Republicans. It was interesting to learn that at one time they were one party and called Democratic Republicans.........something like that!

Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:59 am

Maidmarion I know you were not promoting Obama in any way, shape or form. I certainly could have done a better job of getting my point across. I know that you despise these mainline candidates as much as I do. And like I said at the end > "TIME WILL TELL". But I still maintain that Hillary is not out of the picture yet by any means.

For Obama's sake I sure hope that he doesn't take Hillary as his running mate. I think you can read between the lines with that statement.

I do like your comparison of McCain being a mirror-image of what Bob Dole was in the 96 election. Because that may have been the most rigged election in modern times. They wouldn't even let Perot in on the major debates even after he had gotten millions of votes in the 92 election. And he had literally crushed Daddy Bush and Clinton both in the 92 debates.

What's blowing me away more than anything is how very brave people like the Collier brothers ( the book "VOTE SCAM") and Bev Harris with BlackBoxVoting have exposed all kinds of corruption in the voting process. To me they have proven without a doubt that the elections are completely rigged in many ways. But yet the people don't demand scrutiny of the voting system in this country. Virtually everyone takes it for granted that the votiing system is above board and the votes are accurately counted (which they are not).

They also rigg who gets on the ballot as well. I know for a fact that Ron Paul got many more votes than they admit that he did. It's literally the same thing they did to Perot in the 92 & 96 elections. If you all read the book that I mentioned "VOTE SCAM" by the late James Collier and his brother Kenneth I think you all will be utterly amazed. Also check out the brilliant work by Bev Harris as she has exposed dozens of documented cases of corruption in the voting process. Not to mention the fake, touch screen voting machines that they are using in many of the bigger cities.

Taking all of that into account it is really a moote point as to who gets the votes. Because they probably already have decided who will be coronated "King Of America". The late James Collier's daughter, Victoria is still running the Vote Scam website and I encourage all of you to check out her work along with the brilliant work that Bev Harris has done in regards to vote fraud.

And please Folk!!! Don't forget that Bush has a trump card. If he starts a major war he can stay in office under extreme circumstances just like FDR did. And don't think for a second that he wouldn't do it. I do think these next 2 to 3 months are going to be really scary and I'll let it go at that.

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Document forensics expert: Obama "birth certificate" a "horrible forgery"

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12993.htm

Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:35 am

That's very interesting "aa">>> if his birth certificate is fraudulent then we've got to ask ourselves: Who is this guy?

I still say that if you go back to the 2004 General Election in which he won his Senate seat against Alan Keyes you will find all kinds of strange things that just don't seem to add up.

To normally be elected to a US Senate seat you normally have to be a highly known, mainline politician for years to even get a shot at it. CASE & POINT: Our own John Ashcroft from here in Missouri. I followed his career for years. His first big win was being Missouri's attorney general. After 2 terms of that office he got catapulted into the governor's mansion. Then he did 2 terms as governor. After that he had a very tough race against Missouri US Congressman Alan Wheat to finally land the US Senate seat. Also it was a very close election. And really when you think about it that is about "Parr for the course" to climb the ladder to a US Senate seat.

So with all of that being said how did this relatively young, seemingly charismatic, mostly unknown guy land such a big job so quickly? Not to mention having virtually no notable oposition to get there?

In other words this guy just aparently appeared out of nowhere. He apparently was being groomed for something big for quite some time. The only other presidential candidate I could begin to compare him to would be Jimmy Carter's 1976 presidential run which seemed to come out of nowhere fast. But do consider that Carter had the supreme advantage of Ford's unpopular pardon of Richard Nixon.

Just to put it simply Barrack Obama does not pass the "Smell Test"

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When did Obama stop taking drugs?
Autobiography admits use of pot, cocaine, his temptation by heroin
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=70991

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Bill Clinton was also a little known governor from Arkansas.

I read recently that this is one of the things that the power elite seem to do. They compromise the person and then catapult them forward to office, knowing full well that they have the goods on them so they will do exactly what they are told.

Well I do not know if or when Obama stopped using Drugs...............but I sure as hell suspect that Bush is still using.

Then at John McCain's age he is probably hyped up on all kinds of perscription drugs. A presidential campaign can be grueling! God you should see what the older generation (no I don't consider myself part of them ...... yet!) use! Then on top of it all they use alcohol.........one of the worst drugs known to man. Just because it is legal does not mean that it is not a dangerous drug.

All kinds of rumors will be floating around about McCain and Obama. The
fact that they are both being questioned about their citizenship is indeed curious. Will that be Hillary's ace up her sleeve if it comes out that Obama is not born in the U.S?

I think that the powers that be want Swarzenager to be president someday soon and this could be one way of getting him over the hump of not having been born in America. The thought of it just makes me want to keel over!

I feel that the power elite use a lot of drugs............both legal and illegal!

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More proof Obama's B. Certificate a forgery

http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2008/08/proof-barack-obama-birth-certificate-is.html

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 2:06 pm

Also back in the Spring time Michael Herzog on his RBN show had a guest on and I forget his name because it has been 3 to 4 months ago. But this guy had rock solid evidence that McCain by qualification doesn't qualify to president either. From what this guy said he had documentation to prove that John McCain was born in Panama. . According to what he also said the place he was born at was not a military facility either.

It's very interesting that we have 2 frontrunner candidates that neither one of them can substantiate their valid birth qualifications to be president. That's one reason I still think that Hillary could pull a rabbit out of her handbag at the last minute. I don't necessarily think that McCain will be the republican candidate either.

I'm very suspect of what might happen in the next 3 months.

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Obama Sued in Philadelphia Federal Court on Grounds he is Constitutionally Ineligible for the Presidency

Birth certificate: "verified as a forgery by three independent document forensic" experts
http://www.americasright.com/2008/08/obama-sued-in-philadelphia-federal.html

Barack Obama's 'lost' brother found in Kenya
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2590614/Barack-Obamas-lost-brother-found-in-Kenya.html

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Birth Certificate Found in Kenya. Citizen of Kenya and Indonesia. Hawaiian Certificate Forged. !!!!!!!
http://www.waronfreedom.org/dox/BONoUsCitizen.htm

Philip J. Berg files law suit for ineligibility of Obama 4 Pres.
http://tinyurl.com/56shmw

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Obama Handles a Crisis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4X7ehB9kN0&fmt=18

Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:32 am

What puzzles me at this point is that if his birth certificate proves he is not a USA born citizen which would thus disqualify him for the presidency why aren't there dozens of groups like ours blasting this out all over the internet??????
Like I said before I heard the same allegation about John McCain back in April but I haven't heard much about it since. You would think that some maverick reporter like Matt Drudge or someone else of that ilk would have been all over this by now. That is unless they have compromised them as well.
I'm not doubting this at all. I guess the point that I am getting at is that the system is so far gone at this point that no one even cares anymore. Or at least the ones in power don't care. This would definitively prove what Alex Jones has been saying all along in regards to the presidents and the big people in power are totally owned by the corporations and our votes don't do a damned thing as far as effecting change.
But by all rights both of these candidates should be disqualified.

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Yep. I'm currently just telling people I know. They might either go check it out online cause it's so shocking (and then tell others), go into denial and go back to their cheery-faced-pseudo life hoping others will take action, or just don't care cause 'they have more important things to do'. I was even thinking that many people don't know about the Constitution, and even if Obama is not eligible, they wouldn't care and would want to change the Const. or forget it just so Obama could be President.
I was thinking, just like with the Fed. Income Tax, people know so little about the actual law that they might actually figure that anything is better than what we have, and therefore think: why not just amend the Const. to direct tax all people to be 'fair' (which is blatant slavery, but people are so overwhelmed to know much).

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On the Alex Jones Show today with Jason Burmas filling in, Bob Chapman states that is why they picked Biden. Just in case something happens that Obama is not permitted to run. Makes sense to me, especially because of the fact there is a clip out on YouTube where Biden says he is a Zionist! That killed it for me.

I am so fed up with the fact that Israel now appears to control the US Government.....................the hell with that!

Anyway we need to have someone who can join both the left and right to get rid of the Corporate Fascists who are in place now.

As far as democracy goes you do not have police in riot gear attacking people who are protesting in the streets against the war, torture, 911 and what is happening in our country if you are a democracy............NOT RIOT GEAR FOLKS!!!! Real great message ............here we are supposedly exporting democracy to Iraq and we have a police state in Denver!

I am really nervous about this one...........I am afraid they might declare martial law. A riot will more than likely be provoked and they will have people reacting to do this. They want the visual of the Democrat convention as being chaotic.............they want McCain in to protect Bush's ass.

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Obama admits he's a Muslim; Freudian slip... or not?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpUrnZHc0I4

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It does not matter to me what faith a person is............as long as they are not part of the New World Order. That is what I object to with Obama's candidacy.

If we truly believe that 9/11 was an inside job with the help of rogue elements in the CIA, Mossad and MI6, then I propose that we start leaving the Muslims alone.

We have always had to have a demon, last time it was communism and the Russians..............now it is the Muslims and the Arabs.

I for one believe it was mighty whitey who for the most part were former Christians and Jews who pulled off 9/11. Then again I could be wrong. It could have been so easy to get NORAD to step down that a bunch of men living in a cave pulled off 9/11.........................yeah right!

I think it is important to not take things out of context and stick with the truth here on MTS forum. Here is is the complete clip for you all to view.

Here is a larger chunk of that interview. All I ask is that you watch it and simply make up your own mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtI6ixXjf1g

Seems to me like he was confirming that John McCain had NOT referred to Obama as having a Muslim faith.

I feel badly for all of the wonderful, decent American Muslims who have had to suffer through this smearing of their faith.

Freedom to believe or not believe in any religion was one thing Americans were guaranteed. We need to remember that and stop demonizing Islam. 9/11 has nothing to do with religion. But the NWO proponents will whip up dissension between Christian and Muslim or Jew and Muslim for their own hidden agenda. I for one want no part of that divide and conquer tactic.

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I just came upon your response MM and I can see that it may appear to others that I was posting something against Muslims, which is not the case (I don't know much about Muslim faith)( it doesn't matter what religion people claim or don't claim, as long as they don't initiate force against another...). My frustration is that over and over and over I have experienced times when listening to Obama that what he is saying is not genuinely accurate, or is vague, or ... I just continuously have found I can't trust what he's saying with my gut. I was just reading about Obama's supposed connection to William Ayers, and get the sense once again, the same when I hear 3 experts have found his birth certificate a forgery, and other documents have been found for citizenship in Indonesia, which cancels US citizenship supposedly, and a birth certificate from Kenya. And why is this so prolific on the alternative, non-corporate media, but the MSMedia hasn't said a tweet about it ( I'm writing here to drop-in readers of MTS forums to demonstrate soo many unanswered questions everybody needs to know the facts on a possible next President). Even after watching the longer clip, I just wish he would be real honest. He obviously lied, or very much toned down his connection to the CFR, and on the Superhighway and 'North American Union'. If others out there disagree with the last couple points, I invite you to do some more research, even if the NAUnion may be in a lull now from so many people speaking out.

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Obama On Gun Control
http://www.rense.com/general83/gun.htm

Obama Will Reinstate Draft
http://www.rense.com/general83/obm.htm

Andy Martin exposes Barack Obama's lies about William Ayers
http://www.contrariancommentary.com/community/Home/tabid/36/mid/363/newsid363/262/Default.aspx

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Not much new here, but a good summary of Obama's Birth Certif. fraud:
Certificate of Live Birth Analysis - Part 1

http://www.obamacrimes.com/index.php/component/content/article/1-main/17-certificate-of-live-birth-analysis-part-one

Atlah Worldwide; This guy's video is a stretch, but it may have some good points:
http://www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr09-03-08.html

Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:53 am

There is no doubt at all that Obama would love to disarm all of the American citizenry. Albeit the Republicans have not been a friend to the 2nd Amendment either. The Republicans talk a good talk like they have for years but when it comes right down to taking action they never do.

Personally I don't care if Obama is a Muslim, Hindu, BaHai or any other religious faith. That's not my beef with him at all. But I can't overlook the adversarial clash that he had with his former minister Reverend Wright. Isn't it funny how that story died and went away to never return just like all of the other issues that raise red flags not only with Obama but with McCain as well.

To me it is so obvious that these elections are rigged like a carnival game and 3rd parties are eliminated for the most part by the dozens of difficult hoops that they have to jump through just to even get on the ballot.

But if someone is using the logic that either Obama or McCain are the "less of the 2 evils" then the entire election is a joke when it is all said and done. Personally I think both candidates are complete frauds.

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JD-Spydo wrote:

There is no doubt at all that Obama would love to disarm all of the American citizenry. Albeit the Republicans have not been a friend to the 2nd Amendment either. The Republicans talk a good talk like they have for years but when it comes right down to taking action they never do.

Personally I don't care if Obama is a Muslim, Hindu, BaHai or any other religious faith. That's not my beef with him at all. But I can't overlook the adversarial clash that he had with his former minister Reverend Wright. Isn't it funny how that story died and went away to never return just like all of the other issues that raise red flags not only with Obama but with McCain as well.

To me it is so obvious that these elections are rigged like a carnival game and 3rd parties are eliminated for the most part by the dozens of difficult hoops that they have to jump through just to even get on the ballot.

But if someone is using the logic that either Obama or McCain are the "less of the 2 evils" then the entire election is a joke when it is all said and done. Personally I think both candidates are complete frauds.

thank you so much

http://www.dreamscity.net/

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A little serious humor:

Ah...Sorry To Bother
You, Mr. Obama, Sir...
http://www.rense.com/general83/sir.htm